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  1. Another update appeared on Indiegogo site here:

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    June/July Shipping Update

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    Dear Pro1-X Backer,

    We are delighted to share some exciting news with you. After a long and challenging journey, we are finally ready to proceed with shipping the remaining devices to our valued backers.

    Here is the current shipping status:

    • Wave 1: Users who completed the form sent on June 13th received their tracking details on June 19th. A total of 170 tracking codes have been updated on Indiegogo.
    • Wave 2: Users who completed the form sent on June 18th received their tracking details on June 27th. A total of 57 tracking codes have been updated on Indiegogo.
    • Wave 3: We are currently preparing 250 tracking codes for users who completed the form sent on June 27th, along with approximately 23 remaining from Wave 1.

    Following the completion of these waves, we will proceed with delivering spare parts.

    Devices that are unable to boot:

    Devices currently being sent have been idle for some time and users have been reporting some devices are not turning on upon receipt. Normally, the correct route to solve this issue should be to send it back to Fxtec for service. However, given how long and costly this process may take, the community has found an easy way to activate the Pro1-X without the repair service.

    Thomas - a community member - found that by using rubber bands and wrapping it around the Power button tightly (making sure the button is constantly pressed)  while plugged with a charger, your Pro1-X will turn on after leaving it overnight.

    Resources:

    Additionally, we would like to remind you that you can still utilise alternative Operating Systems in your Pro1-X. Here’s a list of useful links for you to go check out:

    Pro1-X Guides:

    https://community.fxtec.com/?forumId=50

    Alternative OS’s:

    https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/pro1x/

    https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pro1x/

    Please note, we strongly recommend to back up all partitions of your Pro1-X before you commence flashing an alternative OS. Thanks to our long term supporter - Mosen,  a complete guide for this can be found here:

    https://community.fxtec.com/topic/3630-pro%C2%B9-x-backup-restore-and-repair-device-specific-partitions/?tab=comments#comment-62622

    We sincerely apologise for the delay in fulfilling your order. We understand the frustration and inconvenience this has caused and truly appreciate your patience and support throughout this period.

    Thank you for being a part of our journey.

    Warm regards,

    The Fxtec Team

     

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  2. Today's IGG update here:

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    Jun 17, 2024 • 4:42PM
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    Shipping Update

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    Dear Pro1-X Backer,

    We are thrilled to share some good news with you. After a long journey, we are finally in a position to proceed with shipping the remaining devices to our backers.

    We have sent an email to 300 backers asking them to confirm their shipping details. If you have not yet received an email, please rest assured that we will be reaching out to the remaining backers shortly. When you do receive the email, please complete the form to ensure delivery.

    We want to extend our apologies for the delay in fulfilling your order. We understand the frustration and inconvenience it has caused, and we truly appreciate your patience and support throughout this period.

    Please keep an eye on your inbox for our communication, and do not hesitate to reach out to us at [email protected] if you have any questions or need further assistance.

    Thank you, Team Fxtec

     

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  3. On 5/28/2024 at 10:33 PM, Maska said:

    another one of the same type I linked earlier and an LCD Display Digitizer Touchscreen Touch Glass Touchscreen with frame for Elephone U Pro that wasn't available the last time I checked.

    This one may not be the best option (unless the unavailability of pure screen) because it includes the metal frame for Elephone what means you should detach the screen prior installing it in Pro1.

    Anyway, it is possible but you should be gentle and some heat will be needed - the best is a heat gun running at low temperature (around 100-150 Celsius degree applying from distance) and relatively low air flow.

    The Elephone U Pro screen what I had was glued to a metal frame using a big surface so it is harder to remove uninjured than a Pro1 screen which was (at least initially) only glued at its corners.

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  4. On 5/24/2024 at 10:08 PM, guss said:

    perhaps this possible to find the sources of this android version ? 

    I don't think, F(x)tec is not open about such information and I am unsure if they even have that code...
    However, the process is not complicated.

    I have tried to reach the hardware from Linux environment on Pro1 but direct access did not work that way (or I have not fond out how to completely release touch device under Android).

    On 5/24/2024 at 10:08 PM, guss said:

    or connect new screen to a I2C capable controller (arduino, raspberry, USB<->ic2) to read conf of old screen and writ it to the new one ?

    That would be possible but an appropriate connector of the display would be needed and the exact location of VCC, GND and I2C (SDA and SCL) lines should be wired out... then a microcontroller or microcomputer could also be used to do the configuration.
    (So Raspberry or other microcomputer which has I2C interface, or a microcontroller like AVR, MSP430, STM32, etc.)

    So practically the job is easy but the task is complicated because the need of a special connector and pinout...
    ...also VCC could be a question if it is 3.3V or maybe lower voltage...

  5. 12 hours ago, guss said:

    But, can someone explain to me, why only pro1 + stock android 9 can update the touch panel ?

    Because it does not have the specific code in the boot proess which checks that setting.
    Originally Pro1's firmware also did not have this check, it came through an update.

  6. 21 hours ago, guss said:

    i also recived two of them, and there is black spots on bottoms right and left, and there is dead zone on left and right of the screen on first touch (if i touch on center and go to the edge my finger is detected on the edge, bu if i directly touch the edge, nothing is detected)

    so I have the margin problem, and I don't know how to correct it, someone can explain how to do that?

    Right - I have tested those displays (with Pro1) but had no time publishing the results yet.
    However, smaller or bigger black corners were there, they clearly seem to be part of former Pro1 replaced bits as part of qality assurance.

  7. 13 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

    I hope you are right, but if so a bit odd they did not provide a link on the new front page. Time will tell if it will be added later... could also be that they just archived it for now,, until they decide what to do.

    On that page, they also mention LinxDot, Clicks and DeckHD which seem to be intended for being links but they also point nowhere although those pages exist.

  8. 15 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

    Ah! so they sort of moved

    www.fxtec.com

    to

    www.fxtec.com/smartphones

    So anything with relative links works there

    ...and it also looks better from this viewpoint...

    So if they want to have a more general opening page where they can show their different products and smartphones are only one category of them, then it may be a good sign... 🙂
    (So they may not want to shut down their smartphone business but extend (incorporate) their other product lines...)

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  9. 4 hours ago, SchattengestaIt said:

    @VaZso Check this 'fix' for your ghost touch problems. I've had no issues about it anymore.

    The touch problem didn't appear with the original Elephone U Pro so the display itself can't be at fault. My guess is that FxTec left too little space for the touch screen ribbon cable and therefore squeezed it too much. By natural movement (i.e. in pockets), the ribbon cable lines eventually brakes right where the plastic corner of the frame is.

    Another difference is (at least for the very first hundreds of Pro1) is the gluing strength of the display.
    (F(x)tec covered almost its entire back of the display leaving only edges for fixing display to frame - they apparently modified this  solution to fully use display's original sticky part without covering.)

    By mistake, once I have ordered an Elephone U Pro display together with its frame.
    It was a metal frame (so very rigid) and display was fully glued to the surface (whole sticky area was used) - it was not easy to remove it to be used in Pro1.

    Definitively there is a reason for this problem appearing the very same way among users and you are right, that is a very sensitive part of the display.
    Anything which prevents ribbon cable from moving helps and naturally everything helps which allows more room for ribbon cable for better angle.

    However, Pro1's plastic frame compared to Elephone's metal frame is another weak point related to potential movement of ribbon cable.

    As far as I remember well, my current display was replaced almost a year ago anyway and this time I have tried fixing that area of display panel before installing to prevent ribbon cable from moving.

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  10. 2 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

    It seems that currently all fxtec.com pages except the comunity is reroutetd to a common page.

    Strange...
    I hope for original pages to be officially available later, for example, phone specs...

    I don't know if this change is a good or bad sign... at least they mention their other projects there...
    I hope it is a temporary page before coming back... or at least they keep this forum running...

    I don't know what to think about it.

  11. 1 hour ago, SchattengestaIt said:

    Can you provide us with photos why you think they are original displays? As far as I know, the Pro1 displays were originally displays from the Elephone which were repurposed.

    Pro1 uses a display originally manufactured for Elephone U Pro.

    Here is an original display (my handwriting of the amount of black spot problem was blured) made for Elephone U Pro:
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    Here are the displays arrived today:
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    1 hour ago, SchattengestaIt said:

    From reading your explanation, I could imagine the 'original' phone display you had in your hands was also from an Elephone.

    No, the original display I had in my hands was the original display of my Pro1 (early version).
    It looked like the top/bottom displays in the photo above.

    However, looking deeper of the most right one which is installed in frame, I suspect its sticky part was not covered with black tape (like the display in the middle).

    I think it may be a replaced screen or later version and they tried to solve ghost touch issues by stronger gluing of the display (not covering most of sticky area).
    I have an early Pro1 as daily driver and it had a black-taped display like above but newer Pro1s may have a fully glued version.

    Anyway, my thoughts of ghost issues was the worn out of green ribbon cable what can be seen at the right part of display at the middle.
    I think when sticky part releases, this ribbon starts moving which will cause it will break sooner or later.
    I have replaced my display multiple times because of this ghost touch issue which generally disappears for a short while at earlier stages by pressing the bottom left of the display what means the issue is somewhere in the upper part of the display at the middle above.
    Last time I have glued that ribbon cable to prevent it from moving, sooner or later it will reveal if that helps - but generally movement should be the issue.

    1 hour ago, SchattengestaIt said:

    Anyways, there are two more important factors: does the display have black notches on the sides or even on the middle of the screen?
    Are the edges touch-sensitive? (I've had replacement displays with invisible edges and others that worked fine)

    As of simple displays, seller states black dots at lower corners which is not a big issue if it looks like in seller's photo.
    I don't think it has black dots elsewhere but I will see it later.

    Also, as they seem to be originally taken off Pro1 screens, I think they do not have edge-related touch issues.

    However, although I use LineageOS on my daily driver, I am planning to test them using an other Pro1 which has stock OS installed.
    Moreover, as items to be sold look to be the old stock of manufacturing company, they most probably not have additional items of them on top of the already advertised quantity.
    Also, their price is low and other Chinese sources also have one or two black areas of displays manufactured for Elephone U Pro.

    So I will test them once I also receive my other package but I would say it may be one of the last chances to order these parts.

    Additionally, Pro1s usually did not have display corner problems but I saw smaller problem in one corner of a manufacturer-repaired Pro1 screen...

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  12. On 4/17/2024 at 6:48 AM, FlyingAntero said:

    It seems that you can buy replacement screen with the frame from AliExpress.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005062900944.html

    I have received my order from this seller today.

    I have ordered both displays with and without frame.
    The frame looks original part and display was declared to have small dots at the bottom.

    Also, these displays look like if they were prepared or more probably installed earlier in Pro1s.

    Original display has a blue foil to cover sticky copper part at a big area of its bottom as it arrives from manufacturer.
    Pro1's display originally has a black tape to cover most area of sticky part (after blue foil removed) and also a conductive tape for shielding display controller area.

    Two out of three displays arrived today has the very same bottom stickers what Pro1 originally has (black + conductive) and one has no stickers but original foil peeled.

    Remember, F(x)tec had problems with screen issues which they tried to solve with original Pro1 manufacturer and I think these displays were removed from Pro1s as part of quality assurance because they had some screen issues at corners - seller correctly states this issue.
    (At that time Chen has traveled several times to China to ensure everything go well and this is what he could not do for Pro1X because of COVID.)

    However, there is nothing stated for displays sold together with frame which may also belongs to not manufactured Pro1s, spare parts remained at manufacturer or displays which also had quality problems but frames were not removed.

    I have not checked how these displays are working but I will do it once my other order also arrives (I don't want to disassemble phone multiple times).

    So I think these displays with and without frame came from the remaining stock of original Pro1 manufacturer company which went bankrupt and may also meets with information F(x)tec told earlier about manufacturing problems.

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  13. 5 hours ago, SchattengestaIt said:

    My guess is that they don't have enough devices to deliver and while they might have materials to build a few more, it won't be enough for everyone.
    My hope is that they try to find a solution with different chips or a Pro2 and they try to design the phone meanwhile to not let the FxTec die.
    My fear is that they try to prevent legal actions as long as possible to savely gather the remaining money and flee from the scene.

    It seems they try to get money from other projects.
    Also, as shipping company has started to sell phones may result in the lack of enough phones left to be sent.
    Although they told shipping company does not sell client's phones, it may not necessarily completely true - they may not had the actual number of phones sold this way and they may counted with additional stock manufactured (over the necessary amount) will cover this kind of loss but final number of sold Pro1X this way was also continued after they told it does not affect client's phones.

    So in their last message, start of shipping was declared as not later than 28th of June.
    That was more than two months which may also mean they try to manufacture a few more phones or try to assemble them using already produced parts... depleted batteries may also be one of the problems which need time before shipping restarts...

    I hope for a Pro2 but also I am afraid it will not come.

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  14. 1 hour ago, sequestris said:

    Stupid logic 😕

    Security and comfort are always in race.

    I think users have not requested this as a feature from Google and normally there is no benefit of it.
    However, if phone has been stolen, this can be a real benefit...

    Otherwise it creates trouble accessing data outside the phone and I don't know if there is a way to extract key from a working system to be used later in case of a decryption will be necessary.
    (That is not really important for Google...)

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  15. 2 minutes ago, sequestris said:

    Take the card out and put it in a reader?

    Unfortunately, it does not help if OS handles the card "securely" which practically means data is encrypted and encryption key is inside phone's flash which (currently) is inaccessible for the owner...

    So that is the problem@wrc08has with the card.

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  16. 2 hours ago, wrc08 said:

    Okay, thanks for the hint.

    I'll leave it on the charger overnight and see what happens.

    Thank you.

    Stefan

    Somewhere in this forum there was a thread abot flashing softwares, related to @tdm.

    Once my friend used his Pro1 for calling, placed it on a table, then the next time he wanted to use it it was off and did not start again.
    It was replaced by F(x)tec in warranty, but I have tried a few things before sending it back.

    The phone seemed to be completely dead but under Linux, I could see it is in EDL mode.
    When I pressed power button for around 10 seconds, it has rebooted, then entered to EDL mode again after a while.
    So it was constantly on waiting in EDL mode depleting the battery or slowly charging when conneted to charger.

    So using update tool, it has successfully uploaded a loader code to phone RAM which should has to do the actual update process, but it could not reach its internal flash, so the fault of that phone was NAND flash failure after only a few weeks of use.

    The updater should be available here but @tdm has sent me a bit modified version which had deeper log and that was what revealed the flash inaccessibility, the original updater simply could not do the update becase of the very same reason.
    (I use Linux so only Linux version of the updater I may have.)

    It can be anything else but I would check if computer see the phone as any kind of device and if so, what is its PID/VID - also with USB at phone side plugged in rotated in case a partly failing USB connector (like mine)...

    Personally I am afraid of NAND flash failure of my phone because that is the part which will sooner or later die and replacement of a BGA IC in a very integrated panel is not easy at all...

    As of sending it for repair... I don't think F(x)tec may have a replacement main board for Pro1 but it may worth a try.
    However, I don't know if they reply at all.

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  17. 25 minutes ago, claude0001 said:

    One of the things that the Pro1//Pro1X story has shown is that OS development and -- more importantly -- continued maintenance of that OS seems to be nearly impossible for a small-volume company.

    Right, especially if OS manufacturer wants to make it more complicated and wants to earn money on this area.

    27 minutes ago, claude0001 said:

    it is much easier to address a large potential user base than in the Android world, where devices exist in myriads of different shapes.

    Right, that makes developing an accessory much easier.
    However, although I hate Android, I will never buy an iPhone to have an even more restricted environment.

    1 hour ago, claude0001 said:

    The other thing I believe the Pro1 story has shown is that the time of the landscape slider phone is over.

    Maybe... it was a special area even when Moto Mod has appeared and still there is demand but very small compared to the phone market.
    However, there are tablets which may also have lower demand today, but current hype of foldable phones also contain a not always portrait use scenario.
     

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  18. On 3/23/2024 at 7:15 PM, Laska said:

    Hello,

    Did someone maybe found solution or fix for this issue with cut off frequencies?

    Without having closed-source parts of Pro1's kernel, I doubt it is possible...
    I think it is hard-wired close to SoC part which are not accessible as far as I saw.

  19. 58 minutes ago, claude0001 said:

    But, from a customer perspective, I would have expected miscalibrated screens to just be sorted out during assembly of the phone. This obviously wasn't done.

    As far as I remember well, there were a lot of complains also the very beginning of Pro1 release about green tint issues while some of the users are hardly noticed the issue.
    Maybe that was the case also with pre-production devices used for main development.

    Anyway, I had one but only one screen which had blueish tint issue.

    What I think (but I am unsure because the way of brightness control is unknown for me) is the display has a very large deviation what would mean it should has been replaced by another manufacturer, but late in time if it would mean a redesign then it would mean money burning.

    1 hour ago, claude0001 said:

    They do nothing with respect to some keys NOT reacting to a press sometimes, though.

    Right, but the root of the issue is the same.

  20. 1 hour ago, claude0001 said:

    I've done so recently,

    May I ask you the price you had to pay and the problem it had?
    It would be good to get some hardware...

  21. 21 hours ago, claude0001 said:

    Keyboard:  The one of my original Pro1 was slowly starting to fail, with some keys being detected only on the second or third press.

    My Pro1 has also started doing this - not too bad but problem exists.
    However, if I remember well, later keyboard driver has tried to address this issue to reduce the effect what comes to this result.

    It is because of reduced connection quality at buttons which causes different bouncing just like how older mechanical rotary encoders develops the same problem what can be addressed in hardware using  a small capacitor and also in software tricks - these are mostly used together, none of them are perfect without the other.

    Pro1's keyboard hardware is as simple as possible, there are no filtering capacitors at all...

    So viewing from this perspective, that is not simply a QA issue, also not really a hardware issue but practically a design decision.

    21 hours ago, claude0001 said:

    Camera: After moving to that newly-purchased Pro1, I noticed it was bitten by the dreaded camera-cannot-focus-to-infinity bug.

    There is also a camera not evenly focused bug which is also not software-related and usually not really QA-related but a result of a mechanical impact.
    Maybe the roots of these problems are the same, so the cause of both problems may be related to logistics or everyday use.

    22 hours ago, claude0001 said:

    Green OLED tint at low brightness: On my first Pro1, I couldn't watch movies with dark scenes because the screen's pixels would turn green at low brightness.

    I think that is related to screen manufacturer anyway.

    My first display had this green-tint issue very badly.
    I have replaced my screen several times and green-tint issue has improved and my current screen does not seem to have any green-tint (or similar) issues at all.

    Anyway, red, green and blue LEDs have different forward voltages and they need to be driven by different currents in order to produce the same brightnesses.
    They may also have a different current<-->brightness curve. This may be compensated in hardware (so in the display itself) and as a workaround, maybe in software.

    Also, red, green and blue LEDs may getting older differently which can result in color shift because of the very same difference.

    So that problem is generally not simple and as I got very different screens between very green and perfect, so I would think this is a screen quality issue.
    However, I don't know who does brightness control in this system and in which way.
    If display panel itself controls the brightness, then it should has some compensation for LED differences (as it should know the exact parameters of the specific display what may be programmed in factory).
    If the phone directly controls the current somehow then it is up to its software to compensate

    That is not really a good thing if display has an own control but needs external compensation (as workaround) to work perfectly as slight differences between OLED displays will definitively exists and should be handled somewhere for perfect screen image.

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  22. 21 hours ago, claude0001 said:

    The original Pro1 was indeed far from perfect. It had its QA issues, and also some design flaws.

    Right, some of them had more or less keyboard rattling issues which is a QA issue.

    About design flaws, one of them was the interchanged wiring of its speakers which was "corrected" in kernel but it has also resulted handsfree problems (system use the original what results to be the opposite speaker for handsfree mode), also it aggressively applies noise reduction every time the microphone is in use, so it is impossible to record videos with correct sound.
    This flaw could be corrected if they had the actual source of Pro1-related kernel code but apparently not even F(x)tec had it and their original partner is not in picture anymore.

    It had more or less problems with WiFi communication (signal quality) and also some issues of lower coverage of more or less GSM bands (maybe also partly because of potential antenna contact problems).

    Maybe also there is an issue around display fixing which causes touch panel problems sooner or later.
    (Display is only glued at very narrow sides and internal contact issues happen.)

    However, it is still a very good KEYBOARD phone.

    As of Pro1X, that would had been also a great phone if they would not need to build it on a hurry.
    I think they have skipped some hardware iterations which resulted a lot of radio issues which most likely are unable to get corrected in software (however I don't know what they have tried to correct it and if there will be any chance for trying it later).
    The assembly is very good but the main board is new and was not thoroughly tested before launch.

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    The money raised through IGG was initially meant to be invested into alternative OS development

    Right, and maybe it was partly aimed to be their profit of Pro1 and maybe also for preparing a successor...
    So the forced redesign of Pro1 ate a lot of their money unexpectedly.

     

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  23. 11 minutes ago, Hook said:

    Yeah, I don't really have any idea-- this is all way over my head. However, for whatever reason, the display booted up on a Pro1, and then moved to a Pro1x, works properly. So something has to be being changed internal to the display by whatever the Pro1's stock Android 9 is doing at boot.  This is probably the communication you talked about?

    Right.
    I have just found my earlier message in this forum.

    There is a long thread about this issue, here I have attached the technical description of touch controller in 2022.

    In this document, there are registers at 0x805B and 0x805C addresses.
    Former has 4 bits for setting up blank area of top part and 4 bits for bottom part, latter has 4 bits for left and 4 bits for right parts.

    Most probably these two registers what are checked in stock OS and written if not equal to a specific value... that is maybe 0 or a relatively low number between 0 and 15 and our screen bought at Aliexpress has a relatively high number set here for some corners.

    It is very simple but OS restrictions apply.

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