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3 minutes ago, Hook said:

(2 day air once FedEx picks up, same as Expansys orders).

Well, though the shipping prices for the US are tolerable, they are a bit extreme for "the rest of the world", I paid HK$450, some paid $550, and well yes the did send it "express" when they finally got around to send it. It took a few hours over a week, and it was NOT due to them awaiting replies from me more than half an hour or so.

I ordered it Friday morning (CET), and they handed it to FedEx Tuesday evening, And I had it Friday afternoon.

AND as it is unlikely FxTec has ordered it "express", I would say two WEEKS is more realistic than two DAYS....

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Production does indeed seem to be starting...  

Please stop. You made your points, there are people here who invested in this project knowing that, you are doing a disservice to the intent of the project and to those that have supported this f

They have released another update here.  

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2 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

Well, though the shipping prices for the US are tolerable, they are a bit extreme for "the rest of the world", I paid HK$450, some paid $550, and well yes the did send it "express" when they finally got around to send it. It took a few hours over a week, and it was NOT due to them awaiting replies from me more than half an hour or so.

I ordered it Friday morning (CET), and they handed it to FedEx Tuesday evening, And I had it Friday afternoon.

AND as it is unlikely FxTec has ordered it "express", I would say two WEEKS is more realistic than two DAYS....

I can only speak for US where FedEx handles it all the way to our door.  If there wasn't a mix-up with customs, I would have had the Pro1x for my friend on the third day from getting the tracking number.  I did get my Pro 1 in two days also.  And my friend who already received his from FxTec, much the same as I recall.  I said "once FedEx picks up" because of things like Expansys picking and shipping requires people and the people only work M-F until 6pmm HK time, so if you order on a Friday and it is close to or after 6 on Friday, nothing will happen until Monday.  Picking and shipping apparently, even if automated, requires a human step.

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14 minutes ago, Hook said:

I can only speak for US where FedEx handles it all the way to our door

It was so for me, though it had a number of air-jumps HK-UK-Leipzig-Copenhagen-Billund. and then 150Km in a Lorry.
But the 'express' parcel took 12 hours just to leave HK.

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On 10/20/2022 at 1:42 AM, sweetcortex said:


😂😂Here comes superman to save the day, right on time😂😂

Who made you an authority?

what role do you have in this scam?

Who is  paying you?

 

I have not read all your comments because I honestly think you are a laughable joke.
I noticed that you are having difficulty with your typing accuracy.
Perhaps if you had a proper keyboard with a dedicated SHIFT key you might have better luck
I am having a bit of amusement at a phone named after a personal lubricant, but hey you do you.
Why don't you go ahead and pre-order your slidey phone.

Have you read the reviews?

https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/astro-slide-5g

"While the hinge is impressive, the slide-out function isn’t very solid. A slight movement when swiping will have the screen wobble, as there’s no mechanism for the display to click into place once the keyboard is covered. It’s annoying, and feels like if I placed it in my pocket or bag the wrong way, the hinge would break."

"The speakers are mediocre at best,"

"The Astro Slide isn’t just unique for having a keyboard, it’s also one of the few phones on the market with a single lens — and not a particularly great one, either. Despite it having a commendable 48MP Sony IMX586 main sensor, mainly used on mid-range phones, pictures are noticeably grainy, brightness levels are all over the place, and color saturation looks way too dull."

Also, Android 11 only, so you would STILL be stuck with an antiquated phone. Score 😛

You done pissed off Google Girl Boy-o. That doesn't happen very often.
I tried nice. I tried just being supportive without minimizing you and the other human SPAM Bots.
That didn't work.
So now I will just be factual.

You are a pathetic, infantile, whiny, wanna-be.
What's the matter? Does KY-Android not have a user community as stellar and as advanced as this one?
Do you not get the audience you need for your tirades?
Did you get someone offering you commission? Do you get paid by the post or by the word?

I have  Pro 1. It is not "-Have a produced riddled with bugs?"
God the atrocious grammar should be enough to dismiss you. Have you ever proofread your handiwork?

Do you get that your screen name is derived from a study on mice?

"In an initial set of experiments, mice were given a choice between 2 chambers. When one chamber was coupled with stimulation of the sweet cortical field area in the brain, mice developed a preference for that chamber. In contrast, animals whose bitter cortical field was activated when they went into a chamber quickly learned to avoid it."

Ooh. Clever lad aren't ya?

You know what the best part is? I have my phone. Others here do.

Fxtec will outlast your trolldom. It might take a while for them to get their act together, but at least they are the main attraction and not some infomercial running at 2:00 AM when no one is watching.

I stand corrected, the BEST part?

I am not going to respond to a single word you say/type.
Suck it Spam Boy. You're a lame-ass boogeyman who has power only when people give it to him.

I say (for everyone else) let him blather. Eventually he will slither off like the snake he is.


 

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23 minutes ago, Acurus said:
18 hours ago, sweetcortex said:

What happens if they don't deliver in December?

They will tell us another story like in the last two years.

It's only over when it's over. As long as they haven't folded, I'll keep waiting for my Sept 2019 order, and if it will be 2023. Until now, judging from all former experience, there is no reason to believe they wouldn't eventually deliver, as disappointing as such a delay is and as much as I understand everyone who'll say ok, then I'll pass.  

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8 hours ago, Psycho Doc said:

That's right! No reason! :classic_biggrin: And the earth is flat...

There has been delays for sure but so far F(x)tec has not shown any sign that they wouldn't deliver in the end. Original Pro1 orders were delayed but most got their phones (and if you ordered later on then order was changed to Pro1-X).

Of course there can be financial obstacles but I think that F(x)tec is doing everything that they are able to deliver phones. IGG backers took the risk but pre-orders are more secured.

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7 hours ago, FlyingAntero said:

There has been delays for sure but so far F(x)tec has not shown any sign that they wouldn't deliver in the end. Original Pro1 orders were delayed but most got their phones (and if you ordered later on then order was changed to Pro1-X).

Of course there can be financial obstacles but I think that F(x)tec is doing everything that they are able to deliver phones. IGG backers took the risk but pre-orders are more secured.

Of course you can see it that way. I see this after 20 months: F(x)tec are still spreading wrong specs of Pro1 X on IGG (e.g. out of the box). Anyone who still buys without reading the comments on IGG is buying under fake facts! As far as I know, this is even relevant under criminal law. No concrete information about contractual problems. Whose fault is it? No concrete statements from F(x)tec about their planned procedure regarding the large number of problems, described in this forum. Are there plans anyway? How could this number of problems happen, if allegedly quality control was repeatedly reason for delays? I end here listing, could name a few more. Expansys also seems to have somehow pulled back from their longtime partner F(x)tec. At least they make F(x)tec look pretty old in terms of contract negotiations for shipping. Expansys certainly don't do this without a reason. How do you know that F(x)tec is doing everything that they are able to deliver phones? Because they said so? Well, if everything they promised in the past was the truth and really happend, I would have received my Pro1 X months ago! Until now they showed much more about what they are unable to do. With all this, I can vividly imagine some scenarios in which we will end up having nothing in our hands. Because when I remember the last 20 months, everything that they are able to do may not be enough...

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17 hours ago, Psycho Doc said:
On 10/28/2022 at 11:43 AM, Rob. S. said:

Until now, judging from all former experience, there is no reason to believe they wouldn't eventually deliver

That's right! No reason! :classic_biggrin: And the earth is flat...

So which facts do you have that would substantiate doubts that Fxtec does everything they can to deliver those phones in the end, as extreme as the delays already have become for some of us? 

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52 minutes ago, Rob. S. said:

So which facts do you have that would substantiate doubts that Fxtec does everything they can to deliver those phones in the end, as extreme as the delays already have become for some of us? 

I'm still optimistic but the fact that in two months no progress has been made in the contract negotiations really doesn't look good.  This is not an ongoing contract to ship X phones a month for the next 5 years, it's simply to ship a fixed number of phones ASAP.  The only point of contention is the price and assuming Hong Kong is like everywhere else prices are only going one way and that's up.  If they can't/wont pay what's demanded now they'll be further away tomorrow.

There's also the curious fact that December was given as an estimated shipping date months ago, as if they knew the negotiations were going to fail (I'll ignore the possibility that three months is long enough to make another batch as that is based on speculation...)

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4 minutes ago, suicidal_orange said:

There's also the curious fact that December was given as an estimated shipping date months ago, as if they knew the negotiations were going to fail (I'll ignore the possibility that three months is long enough to make another batch as that is based on speculation...)

That they knew back then that things is going to happen in December could have more explanations than your suggestion. My guess for the specifics in this delay is that the case has been put to court, and they got a court date in December.

But obviously this is just a guess, too.

Have you any suggestions for a rationale behind your theory?

If it is 'ordinary' negotiations, a known time frame from the start seems unlikely, and if they even expected the negotiations to fail, as you suggests, what could they possibly gain by a delay?
I have not kept an eye on the igg numbers, but doubt that many (if any) have been taking new perks this fall. So no (almost?) extra income and three month's extra salaries. Why would they do that if they did not expect a positive outcome, releasing 'our' devices for sending?

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27 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

That they knew back then that things is going to happen in December could have more explanations than your suggestion. My guess for the specifics in this delay is that the case has been put to court, and they got a court date in December.

But obviously this is just a guess, too.

Have you any suggestions for a rationale behind your theory?

If it is 'ordinary' negotiations, a known time frame from the start seems unlikely, and if they even expected the negotiations to fail, as you suggests, what could they possibly gain by a delay?
I have not kept an eye on the igg numbers, but doubt that many (if any) have been taking new perks this fall. So no (almost?) extra income and three month's extra salaries. Why would they do that if they did not expect a positive outcome, releasing 'our' devices for sending?

If they are that confident about the outcome of going to court it seems unlikely the other party would bother with the hassle and expense - lawyers earn at least 10x what a phone packer does and a packer could pack 100 phones in an 8 hour shift at just under 5 minutes a phone which seems reasonable - there are only ~2000 phones so two days at court and they're out of pocket, and they've got inventory clogging up their warehouse all that time.

What does who gain from anything in this mess?  From what I see everyone loses.  Expansys look incompetent (the few perks/orders they did ship were in random order) and are selling so cheap they aren't making much, if any, money from their direct sales, FxTec look bad for failing to ensure shipping order and have their brand value diminished by Expansys' low sale price and we, if we're lucky, will get a phone that's worth less than it should be.

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2 hours ago, suicidal_orange said:

If they are that confident about the outcome of going to court it seems unlikely the other party would bother with the hassle and expense - lawyers earn at least 10x what a phone packer does and a packer could pack 100 phones in an 8 hour shift at just under 5 minutes a phone which seems reasonable - there are only ~2000 phones so two days at court and they're out of pocket, and they've got inventory clogging up their warehouse all that time.

What does who gain from anything in this mess?  From what I see everyone loses.  Expansys look incompetent (the few perks/orders they did ship were in random order) and are selling so cheap they aren't making much, if any, money from their direct sales, FxTec look bad for failing to ensure shipping order and have their brand value diminished by Expansys' low sale price and we, if we're lucky, will get a phone that's worth less than it should be.

Totally agree on the last half. You misunderstood what I meant in the first part. If they knew/know when a court order is to be expected, they know that nothing is going to happen before that. Obviously there is still a risk that a court might rule in favour of the other party / assuming my guess is right that it is a court ruling we are awaiting...

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If we have an agreement in writing and I take it to an impartial lawyer they will say "you're right" or "you're wrong" or "it's badly written, could go either way".  If it's clear I'm wrong my lawyer will say don't waste your time in court, if you're wrong yours will.  Only if it's unclear do you go to court to argue, but if that's the case you shouldn't be confident enough to say it will be over in [time frame].

Expansys aren't new to the shipping game so their contracts are not going to be badly written and for that reason to me the court theory makes no sense. Of course there's always the option that Chinese lawyers are more crooked than ours and flat out lie to make more money out of their clients - with such a huge population repeat "customers" may not be necessary.

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And there is yet another possibility I have seen in the contracting world (In US, not China). (Again, I have no idea if any of this is what is happening here).  So even though FxTec got phones to warehouse before contract end, lock downs and low staffing prevented most of the phones from going out before the contract end. This means all work has to stop until there is a contract extension.  (I've proposed this before). 

But here is where December comes in, which I have not mentioned before.  Even if the contract extension is mostly pro forma (mostly a rewrite of the work order with new dates) and there is no additional money  required (possible), and then a few folks in the chain all sign off on it, it may be that whatever group meets to provide final approval of all contracts only meets maybe 4 times a year and the next meeting is December.  Even if this approval is uncontroversial and takes 5 minutes in the meeting, this cannot happen until the scheduled meeting.

Really, I have seen this scenario.  Have no idea if it is operating here, but it fits the facts.

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Here's another possibility that I don't think I've seen suggested while we wait.  What if the issue is not FxTec or Expansys?  It could be a government change in customs costs.  A similar potential issue was raised by someone in that increased shipping costs may be the holdup.  But if FxTec contracted Expansys to both ship and handle the customs issues the holdup could be who's going to pay the increase?  Or perhaps whoever was supposed to handle all that paperwork didn't realize they were supposed to so as a result, they had to rush through it and get it sent in September instead of June.  Or maybe the December date is due to an expected shipping cost decrease because all the Christmas product will have already been shipped by then.  Based upon stuff I've bought, shipping one or two items internationally goes pretty quick meaning no real customs paperwork.  Larger value shipments (300 phones to UK, 750 to US, 150 to Germany) have to get more scrutiny because there is more value in the customs fees.  Maybe Expansys got caught shipping them onesie, twosie and now the customs folks are standing at the door waiting for a handout.

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19 minutes ago, mysticturner said:

Here's another possibility that I don't think I've seen suggested while we wait.  What if the issue is not FxTec or Expansys?  It could be a government change in customs costs.  A similar potential issue was raised by someone in that increased shipping costs may be the holdup.  But if FxTec contracted Expansys to both ship and handle the customs issues the holdup could be who's going to pay the increase?  Or perhaps whoever was supposed to handle all that paperwork didn't realize they were supposed to so as a result, they had to rush through it and get it sent in September instead of June.  Or maybe the December date is due to an expected shipping cost decrease because all the Christmas product will have already been shipped by then.  Based upon stuff I've bought, shipping one or two items internationally goes pretty quick meaning no real customs paperwork.  Larger value shipments (300 phones to UK, 750 to US, 150 to Germany) have to get more scrutiny because there is more value in the customs fees.  Maybe Expansys got caught shipping them onesie, twosie and now the customs folks are standing at the door waiting for a handout.

They don't ship the phones as pallets. There are no distribution centers located in those other countries.  Each phone is individually labeled and shipped from Hong Kong (as it was with the Pro 1.  They actually tried shipping all Pro1s for the US to A FedEx hub to be distributed by FedEx very early on in 2019 and, yeah, hit a wall with customs(I wonder if they ever got those original Pro1s back from US Customs).  That's when

they switched to labeling and shipping individual phones working with Expansys HK.

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On 10/30/2022 at 6:28 PM, Rob. S. said:

So which facts do you have that would substantiate doubts that Fxtec does everything they can to deliver those phones in the end, as extreme as the delays already have become for some of us? 

Did you read my detailed comment? That's what my thoughts on it are. In summary, I believe that F(x)tec's unclear communication, repeatedly withheld information and still uncorrect specs regarding the Pro1 X on IGG let me doubt on their sincerity and loyalty to their backers. For me, F(x)tec are unpredictable in their actions. Because you're asking for facts about my point of view, I'll ask you back. Where are your facts for the opposite?

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I'm not saying they ship them as a pallet.  I'm saying that Expansys might have started shipping the first batch and managed to get some out of HK before customs said, "hey, didn't they ship a bunch last week? Let's check".  Throw in the usual government delays on getting organized, 4 or 5 weeks later with each week more getting shipped out.

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9 hours ago, Psycho Doc said:

Because you're asking for facts about my point of view, I'll ask you back. Where are your facts for the opposite?

Remember that when a theory can not be disproved, it does NOT make it correct.
Religions and conspiracy theories usually relies on this kind of false 'logic'.

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12 hours ago, Psycho Doc said:

Did you read my detailed comment? That's what my thoughts on it are. In summary, I believe that F(x)tec's unclear communication, repeatedly withheld information and still uncorrect specs regarding the Pro1 X on IGG let me doubt on their sincerity and loyalty to their backers. For me, F(x)tec are unpredictable in their actions. Because you're asking for facts about my point of view, I'll ask you back. Where are your facts for the opposite?

That's hardly enough fact, it's just opinion, which is already perfectly clear from the wording ("thoughts", "believe", "doubt", "for me"). Something everyone is entitled to, but we shouldn't mistake one for the other. My facts are the phones which have been delivered and the support that is still happening, plus the good old rule 'innocent until proven guilty'. There's nothing in what we know that would be enough to prove them guilty of any serious crime. 

As always, never attribute to malice what can just as well be explained without it, especially for a tiny little British company between COVID, Brexit, Chinese supply chain breakdowns and now a full-on war that's disrupting European energy systems.

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On 11/4/2022 at 6:38 AM, Rob. S. said:

That's hardly enough fact, it's just opinion, which is already perfectly clear from the wording ("thoughts", "believe", "doubt", "for me"). Something everyone is entitled to, but we shouldn't mistake one for the other. My facts are the phones which have been delivered and the support that is still happening, plus the good old rule 'innocent until proven guilty'. There's nothing in what we know that would be enough to prove them guilty of any serious crime. 

As always, never attribute to malice what can just as well be explained without it, especially for a tiny little British company between COVID, Brexit, Chinese supply chain breakdowns and now a full-on war that's disrupting European energy systems.

Your argument is illogical. The reasons for my concerns are just opinion but your indications that F(x)tec will still deliver all other devices are facts? Hmm, interesting. They are facts, but they prove nothing. My indication of the opposite, namely that F(x)tec are not credible, e.g. because they don't correct specs that are not applicable since a long time now (fact) and presenting new backers wrong specs (fact) has the same value as an indication as your examples. You measure with double standards. Perhaps you can try to accept that someone has a different view of things than you do.

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