raphaelcno

Here is a standard German keyboard, you can see the two symbols shown in red circle: [attachment file=F(x) - German keyboard_Degree + ~.png] The ~ symbol is not located on the N key on the dekstop keyboard, but there is no empty key next to its original location on the Pro1 keyboard. It may also be located on L key instead, but I think most people associate the ~ sign to the N character.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding, but these changes have been done in order to have a layout as close as possible to the standard German QWERTZ layout. [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-07_RCa.png]

It could be a solution, but I'm not sure if Waxberry would be able to write these two combined characters, as they don't have a Unicode and need to be "assembled" manually. I have a black desktop keyboard with the three characters on each key, and I have just put some black tape on the characters which are not relevant for me, it works fine :-)

Here is a proposal for the Nordic/Scandinavian keyboard layout, based on the German QWERTZ layout (https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/design-the-qwertz-layout/page/12/#post-14233): [attachment file=F(x) - Scandinavian QWERTY - 2019-05-13_2_RCa.png] Variant 2 with ' and * on Ä and Ö is closer to the desktop keyboard layout, but these two keys look a little overloaded. Variant 1 is easier to read. For reference, here are the main differences between Swedish, Norwegian and Danish keyboards ( |, \, ÖØÆ, ÄÆØ): [attachment file=F(x) - Differences between Scandinavian keyboards - 2019-

@Waxberry For information, acute accent (´) is Alt+0180 while apostrophe (') is Alt+0039. [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-07_2_RCa.png] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_accent

Based on the votes/priorities so far, the first priority is alternative 2 (Strg) (20 points) and alternative 12 (R key) (15 points). That gives the following layout: [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-07_RCa.png] It is still possible to vote if you have not yet :-)

Good idea! I will give following points to the priorities: - 4 points to the first priority - 3 points to the second priority - 2 points to the third priority - 1 point to the fourth priority. That means each person has 10 points in total. Or maybe there should be more points for the first priority, like in Eurovision Song Contest :-) For people who only choose one priority, I will give 2 points to the three remaining choices. For people who only choose two priorities, I will give 1.5 point to the two remaining choices. I will put the results in this Google Sheet: htt

I propose a vote: - Alternative 1: strg / entf / esc / alt / sym - Alternative 2: Strg / Entf / Esc / Alt / Sym - Alternative 3: STRG / ENTF / ESC / ALT / SYM - Alternative 4: Ctrl / Del / Esc / Alt / Sym I propose a vote for the degree symbol ° (Alt+0176): - Alternative 11: No symbol on the keyboard - Alternative 12: Symbol on the R key - Alternative 13: Symbol on the A key - Aklternative 14: Symbol on another key I vote for alternative 4 (Ctrl) and 12 ®.

On the desktop keyboard, the key between Ä and Enter has # as main symbol and ' as second symbol. This key does not exist on the phone keyboard, so it is necessary to move these two symbols to other keys. The main symbol (#) is placed nearest its original place (that means on Ä), and the second symbol (') is placed on the second nearest key (that means on Ö). It is difficult to define the layout based on individual needs, so the layout should be chosen so that it is as close as possible to the desktop keyboard.

Changing "Strg" to "strg" was based on comments from other users, but if there are more users who prefer "Strg", it may be changed back.

If the lowercase quotation mark („) does not exist on the standard desktop keyboard, it will probably not be present on the phone keyboard either. As you suggest, this should be handled by software recognition or by a key combination like Shift/Alt + Fn (Arrow) + ".

There must have been a misunderstanding. The key between "ß" and backspace should be (´) accent (Alt+0180), while the apostrophe (') (Alt+0039) should be on the "Ö" key. Slash (\) should be below the "ß" key, that means on the "Ü" key. Tilde (~) may be on the "N" key or on the "L" key. It is more natural to have it on the "N" key because of "Ñ". See attached layout: [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-03_RCa.png] For the apostrophe (') you should use Alt+0039, not Alt+0146 (curly). For the quotation mark (") you should use Alt+0034, not Alt+0148 (curly). (This al

There must have been a misunderstanding. The key between "ß" and backspace should be (´) accent (Alt+0180), while the apostrophe (') (Alt+0039) should be on the "Ö" key. Slash (\) should be below the "ß" key, that means on the "Ü" key. Tilde (~) may be on the "N" key or on the "L" key. It is more natural to have it on the "N" key because of "Ñ". See attached layout: [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-03_RCa.png] For the apostrophe (') you should use Alt+0039, not Alt+0146 (curly). For the quotation mark (") you should use Alt+0034, not Alt+0148 (curly). (This al

There must have been a misunderstanding. The key between "ß" and backspace should be (´) accent (Alt+0180), while the apostrophe (') (Alt+0039) should be on the "Ö" key. Slash (\) should be below the "ß" key, that means on the "Ü" key. Tilde (~) may be on the "N" key or on the "L" key. It is more natural to have it on the "N" key because of "Ñ". See attached layout: [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-20190427 - 2019-05-03_RCa.png] For the apostrophe (') you should use Alt+0039, not Alt+0146 (curly). For the quotation mark (") you should use Alt+0034, not Alt+0148 (curly). (This al

@waxberry It would be nice if you could publish a flat image of the keyboard (with outline of the device) as a PDF file that we can print at exact scale, so that we can test it, Thank you :-)

It may be a challenge to make layouts which satisfy people who write in two languages :-) One solution for you is to have the "~" sign on the "N" key (since "~" is a normal sign of the German QWERTZ keyboard), and with a software setting you will change the "~" sign to "ñ" character. See the layout proposed here: https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/design-the-qwertz-layout/page/8/#post-12970 [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-201904092-1 - 2019-04-15_RCa - strg.png]

Here is a modified layout, based on the last comments. Variant with German "strg"/"entf": [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-201904092-1 - 2019-04-15_RCa - strg.png] Variant with English "Ctrl"/"Del": [attachment file=F(x) - QWERTZ-201904092-1 - 2019-04-16_RCa - Ctrl.png] Which variant is best?

It looks nice :-) I would just suggest to move the dash/minus sign a little higher on the key, otherwise it looks like the underscore sign: [attachment file=QWERTZ-201904092 - 2019-04-10_RCa.png]

Yes, it would be even closer to a normal keyboard. But in that case, it's important that when the user activates Caps Lock, then the main symbol on the key is taken into account, not the second symbol. For instance, if Caps Lock is activated and you type ".", the screen must show ".", not ":".

Here is a layout that is closer to the German desktop layout: [attachment file=QWERTZ-20190409 - 2019-04-10_RCa.png]

@Waxberry It would be nice if you could publish a flat image as a PDF file that we can print at exact scale, so that we can test it, Thank you :-)

(Waxberry) If you notice from our QWERTY layout, some symbols were placed on the left, to make the letters in the middle to be reachable with both thumb. Just copying a PC layout will shift the main letters too close to left and make it harder for the right thumb. @Waxberry Your argument would be correct if the keys on the left side of the keyboard were more often used than the national letters. In reality there are four keys on the left side of keyboard (Q, W, Z/Y, X) which are rarely used, so it is not a problem if they are less accessible for the left/right thumbs. It is more im

For people interested in the QWERTZ keyboard, have a look at this new topic: https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/design-the-qwertz-layout/

It would indeed be great it was serviceable. If the keyboard could be replaced you could upgrade to desired layout once regional variants are available. On this page https://www.fxtec.com/the-smartphone-you-thought-you-couldnt-have-keyboard/ it is written: We incorporated your feedback about supporting multiple languages and made all the keyboard related components one piece. As such, changing layouts will only involve changing one part, making it easier to switch to say QWERTZ or the Scandinavian layout.