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Weird definition of "no doubt".

Not saying anything about if they're obnoxious or not, but it's not libel. Especially if it's clear to you that's how they meant it.

I'd say that "quote" is them rewording your quote to be how they read it. This is identified by them including the quote block as well. Thus it's an opinion.

How would that be relevant to the production status? Please post that in a different thread instead of sliding this thread.

In a thread about the production status you get contents like this when basically the only source for information is proven to be unreliable. probably.

That would turn into a discussion into what you'd believe, since the only real way to tell their intent and what they knew when things were said is internal communication would leak out or something indicating they were dishonest, which most likely wouldn't happen. And there's then also the problem that you can't really prove that somebody was honest because being transparent about literally everything could still look you'd hidden some piece of information to somebody that's very paranoid, no amount of information would necessarily mean it's a fact that you had given all information, it's imp

Well I disagree, this seems to just be a semantic discussion at this point. Not just going to believe that because of a forum post, but also can't be bothered to do actual research regarding that. I never heard of that needing to be done, but to be fair I also never followed a phone this closely before.

I think it's extremely likely that the delays and multiple other issues are caused by third parties, but I don't really care. I'm not doing business with those third parties, I'm buying from F(x)tec. And if they say something that doesn't pan out because of third parties, they still broke a promise. It's up to them then to deal with the third parties however they wish, but that doesn't change the fact that they broke a promise in that situation. It's up to them to use third parties they can trust, if they don't then they're still accountable for errors that those third parties produce. An

Not unless you have a working crystal ball. Besides, the "weeks" they're talking about seem to be pretty liberal so I wouldn't take that as a plain fact. And the most important details for determining when your order will ship should be the payment date, but even that seems a bit fuzzy.

I wish it was only a few weeks, I would've been using the phone for months already then!

The letters in that line really do not look like Chinese characters to me, it looks like Latin script. They're too "simple" to be Chinese characters. The line above it looks like Chinese characters though. No real opinion on the rest of your comment though, it might just be 100~ pieces (96).

I feel like this was sold as a standard Android phone with a keyboard though, something that just works out of the box. You can't expect everybody to want to muck around with APNs and the like, that's what I thought the pre-production and the like was for. I do think people in general can be more patient before drawing conclusions and posting things on the internet, but it's a valid opinion to think it should just work without needing to do things people have never done with other phones.

People could also believe that the chance of getting the phone decreases over time for various reasons, so it might be in their best interest to not cancel even if they believe the company might be in trouble. But I think I might be arguing past you, since you said you can't guarantee it which was basically my point. It seemed that by using "will" you were implying it will come, but it's just what you believe which, fair enough, you don't need to mention with every thought. Personally I also think there's a very high chance they're able to deliver every phone that's been ordered, things l

That's my biggest issue with what you're saying. You're implying there's no way they'll not deliver, which just isn't 100% confirmed. You can argue about how likely it is, but you can't argue that a startup has no chance of going bankrupt. Again, that information is unreliable at best. Might as well do the math and just make some numbers up in my opinion. There are definitely broken promises here yeah, which probably feel very similar as lies to the people on the receiving end. Personally I also don't really believe they truly believed some of the things they have said (like on

Yup, which further reinforces my point that time of past shipments don't translate to current or future shipment times. Meaning we don't know when anything will ship aside from what we've been told, which we already now is unreliable at best.

I feel that a lot of people here are setting unreasonable expectations for themselves, mostly based on speculation again. Might want to re-evaluate what you're expecting.

I think they did. Just that now they're refunding the portion you paid for sales tax because you're getting extra costs for the import costs. Doesn't necessarily mean they didn't pay the sales tax or anything. Then again, I'm not sure about how US customs work, I was conflating them before. Honestly, my input here is probably not that useful. The terms of the sale were probably something along the lines of not having to pay those customs costs. And it's also just a feel-good move, after all the delays I'm sure there are some people that wouldn't absolutely hate getting extra costs like

I'll preface this by saying that I know nothing about US import costs. Why is it irrelevant that F(x)tec will refund the sales tax? How I read the situation is that you'll need to pay some sort of sales tax to get the device, then you'll ask for a refund to F(x)tec for those costs, and then F(x)tec pays you? In that situation the sales tax is still paid, so legally it's all right, and you didn't need to pay anything in the end. In the previous situation F(x)tec prepaid the sales tax, so you didn't need to pay anything. Same results?

4 weeks from today is January 2nd. 6 weeks is the 16th. So that message would mean you should have it before the 16th, nothing more.

Thanks a lot for this. I think that a lot of people that were asking for more information wanted info like this. Sure, it's not necessarily as good as "your device is shipping now" or something, but it is info and like you said the bigger picture is positive. This also to me seems like a pretty realistic estimation, compared to some of the previous information we had gotten.

Yes. Pretty large projects, and the most anything has ever been delayed was about 3 months. With severe discounts given to the customer and immediate notification about the issue and discussion on what best to do. I find the implication that apparently nobody here knows what they're talking about laughable. Personally, because in my experience these smaller start up projects tend to have limited runs. They make what the pre-orders want, and anybody after that will have to fight to get a product at a decent price since they're not produced as much anymore. This might not apply to F(x)te

It took 9 workdays (11 actual days) from stock assigned (4th of November) to tracking codes (15th of November). However, last time it took 4 workdays between shipping from factory and getting stock assigned, and this time it only took 2 days. So they seem to be shifting things, making this in my opinion an unreliable method to estimate.

I voted "I don't expect to receive it in this year." though I don't particularly think that has a higher chance than before Christmas. At this point, it's all up in the air and I have no idea, so I have set my expectations to sometime next year.

Christmas has always been an arbitrary limit they imposed themselves, and I don't particularly care for it. Obviously I would like to have it before then, but it's not my limit. I'm personally waiting until my bank's protection are about to run out, and will be seeking a refund slightly before that. That's still a couple of months away at least.

I hope more people will vote for the poll. Based on forum posts and the like, the first option at least should definitely have more votes. 1. I don't want to touch the poll anymore because I'm afraid I'd break it like how the last poll was broken. 2. I didn't want to specifically let people select if they're in the first or second batch, because who's in what is a little bit fuzzy. I thought dates would've been the most clear and discreet options. But yeah, it could've been phrased that way. Personally I don't think that's really clearer, but that might just be me. Ba