EskeRahn
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Yes, I just called the company. The foil protect the whole curved display!
Thanks. That would be a nice fall back. But if possible i would much rather have a tempered glass protector as I do not really fear of scratches on gorilla glass as much as I fear breaking it.
In my experience a simple £1-3 curved tempered glass protector takes the energy of many minor impacts. Though the quality is not that high, and they typically get a cracked line or two within about two months, so for My Priv (and the S8-) I just bought a stack, and change them whenever needed. It could typically break while playing with my dog and having the phone in the pocket bumping into something hard, e.g. him swinging a large branch.
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Actually, steering is Lenkung (used for vehicles).
Oh, sorry if I was unclear: Etymologically the same, and also etymologically the same as the Danish variant "Styring", that in Danish can be used both for steering and control (Though we also have "Kontrol", but that is leaning more towards checking than handling). It is so funny how words that some time back in history have been the same can slowly change differently in different languages or dialects. Yes, I have a soft spot for etymology :)
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A company in Germany need only the dimensions of the screen to build a customized screen protector.
If Fx(tec) send the the correct dimension I will ask https://atfolix.info to create a new screen protector for european customers. The company build a lot of screen protectors for me like GPD Pocket2.
Are they making foils only, or also (one direction) curved tempered glass protectors?.(like this)
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Btw, I personnally prefer SYM, ALT, STRG, ENT, ESC
as all caps version :-)
Personally do not mind if they use Sym/SYM/sym, as long as it is the same format on all the keys with text. I don't like a mix like "Strg"+"SYM" :)
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To type the letter Ö, press once the [ ” ] key and then the [ O ] key.
Welcome. Yes the 'dead-key' approach has been mentioned, though especially in the thread on the German layout. And indeed it is a solution to supporting many languages with a common keyboard.
I hope we will have the option to remap things quite generally so we could make practically any logical layout, no matter what is printed on the keys.
Currently the suggested German QWERTZ keyboard are closer to Danish than the standard right-shifted QWERTY, as we also got national letters right of L and P, so that would be a better print for me, so only a few keys shows something different from what they would actually give with Danish selected.
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P.S. The swipping on sailfish might be the first functional pro I saw in this thread. Has somebody a video or another source about that feature? Would appreciate it.
Never tried SailFish myself, but found this "Hands On & Demo" video from here
But can't see why this could not work on a 'bezelled' display also.
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Would be nice if they get one.
Perhaps if the screen is identical to one used on a more common model, we could get one for that one. The dimensions seems rather close to the Meizu 16(x), so perhaps that is a match?
If not my personal fall back plan is to try if a tempered glass protector for a Samsung S8+ or S9+ has the right side curvature (the width is 0.2 mm larger resp. smaller) and then use a glass-cutter to shorten it sufficiently.
And if that fails too my fall-back plan is to get plain foil-protectors for one or the other. those should be easy to cut.
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I don’t really care either way. I have a Priv and do see the curved screen as a bit of an unnecessary gimmick, but it’s not going to stop me buying the only landscape rootable Android phone on the market.
Spot on in my book!. A landscape keyboard slider is MUCH more important to me than if the edges are curved or not.
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I think it’s completely beside the point to use a curved screen to make it look cool for a wider audience. This phone is made specifically FOR the dinosaurs. Who else would buy a keyboard phone? The “kids these days” don’t care about a keyboard. It’s just not cool anymore.
We might be dinosaurs, but I at the least do not want to go back to neither monochrome, non-touch nor vga... ;).
So I hope we all agree that we want a modernised version not a replica of what we had.
I personally don't have neither a strong urge for nor grudge against curved screens. As I wrote earlier I did dislike them until I actually got a device with it (Priv), and found my fears of the discomfort to be hugely exaggerated.
On the pro-side it allows for a larger screen at the same size device, and allows for swipes on SailFish - and despite sounding odd I believe also easier to get and thus cheaper in 2019. On the con side it will be more exposed (and thus have a higher risk of breaking) and can give unwanted side-interactions.
Does one outweigh the other? Personally I'm not sure, but to each their own,
Before giving up on the curved, try to find a friend with e.g a Samsung S8+, S9+ or S10+, and borrow it to play around with for a few hours. as they are quite close to the same width.
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Regarding Caps using the pointing down arrow… Is that a common one on German language / keyboard?
I think there are many variants, not limited to German
Here is another one
The aPple guys seem to like this variant
The REASON for the at first odd arrow down stems back from the time of typewriters, before the up arrow was used for Shift, and Shift-Lock was a key that physically stayed down, and forced the whole set of arms to shift up, so we got the lower symbol of each hammer when hitting the roll, and thus had the upper case letters AND the symbols on the number keys active.
See e.g. this
(the shift lock was released pressing shift)
ADD: And BTW this is also why the term "Shift" is used as it shifted the whole set of arms, and was held up while holding it pressing one of the shift-keys with a pinky.
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And as also someone said before: If the SYM button stays it would look better if the print was reading Sym instead of the all caps version.
Agree on that one, it just looks odd in my eyes, also on the QWERTY.
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How about Android One?
Does the existence of the keyboard require any OS-changes (not allowed in A1) or can it be logically handled as any external BT-keyboard? Or perhaps using the Accessibility API?
The Nokia 9 uses Android One, so it is not just entry levels phones using it any more.
As far as I know adding an optional launcher is allowed, so that should also work with your landscape optimised launcher.
It could be a really nice way to simplify things and also assure the security updates for at the least two years.
The question was also posed as part of this post, but never answered to my knowledge.
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Keyboard shortcuts, navigation are good features, but software optimization is a must. Videos shown in the latest tweet is not very convincing..
I'm quite sure they're aware that there is an optimisation phase of things before release.... They just showed that the principle of an added feature works. Even the hardware we see it used on is unlikely to be the final version...
Let us await a release candidate before judging anything.
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The preorder page (still) says
We are working hard to get the first orders shipped to customers in July 2019.so I assume that is still the best estimate they got.
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I love removable backs and batteries too!
My ancient 2011 SonyEricsson (neo) Pro has it.
And it has a wonderful additional advantage: Take out the battery, take a piece of slightly stiff plastic (e.g. window from envelope, or a piece of tape doubled on it self) and put between the battery and electrodes while reinserting, and the battery can EASILY last a year! PERFECT for storage of a spare phone in e.g. a glove compartment of a car. And if you want to keep an old device without having to keep charging the device.
I have used that for my spare/old phones as long as I can remember - and that is why my spare phone is not the BB Priv but still the SE Pro (even if it is stuck on ICS)...
I have for LONG wished that someone would again make this, and preferably with multiple sizes so the same base-device can be used for a variety of usage scenarios for each user, and thus also by a broader audience.
I loved the three different size battery backs on my Samsung S300 clamshell, so I could put on what fitted my need of the day the best. I don't use the same thickness of jacket all year either....
But even with fixed back, another solution that might be better would be to have the keyboard clicked in, and easily removable, and then have direct access to the battery. And preferable easily swappable so we can carry one or more spare batteries, rather than the need of different sizes. This would also simplify multiple layouts of the device.
I certainly hope a Pro² will use either.
I have long had a dream on a generic slab without a back, and let the user choose between different battery-backs OR a keyboard and battery-back.
Sort of what Moto tried, but WITHOUT the battery and exterior flat back of the base unit.
Then the base device could have a broad audience AND could be upgraded over the years, keeping the backs.
And we could have a super slim device with the slimmest back for the dinner jacket, and larger ones for more demanding scenarios.
And of course the all important landscape keyboard slider-back. Preferable angled like the Pro¹,
And perhaps even a keyboard-slider-back in the wrong direction to please the BB-users.
The important thing here is that the base do not need to be flat, but could be shaped with room for the slider mechanism, to keep the device thin.
Oh and a tiny thing with swappable batteries, the base units should have a very small backup (capacitor?), large enough to put the device to sleep and keep it like that for some seconds while the battery is swapped. Perhaps after say five seconds going into aeroplane mode temporarily.
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My German is limited I am afraid! My classes obviously didn’t go that far :D
*LOL* Same here we both lack "German abbreviations I".
My first thought was "Strange" *LOL*
(it stands for "Steuerung" though - etymologically same word as English "steering")
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This is the least bad I can do to make something that looks somewhat like a yellow arrow † key
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Looks better. And even if PRINTED as YellowArrow (we almost need a BBCode for that one *LOL* ), the strokes of the ones on the second lowest and the top row could ALSO be made available by shift, to make the functionality closer to the PC-experience, that is in software let BOTH YellowArrow+8 and Shift+8 give the same "(".
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The initial idea of getting rid of a separate AltGr (like removing shift + key to get symbol on numbers) is to avoid printing 3 symbols on a tiny key. (Like number 1-0) otherwise will look quite a mess… But I have to say that might only be the case for English as they get much less symbols? :)
I believe that can be more or less achieved by moving the yellow print down (like the sketch of the 7 above)
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But in that case, it’s important that when the user activates Caps Lock, then the main symbol on the key is taken into account, not the second symbol. For instance, if Caps Lock is activated and you type “.”, the screen must show “.”, not “:”.
Indeed yes, important point.
A Caps-lock, not a Shift-lock like old typewriters. :-)
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e.g. like this rough sketch for the 7-key
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Very good suggestion, especially a nice idea with braces and bracket (and others) close® to their usual pc-positions.
A few of the ones in the second lowest row “>”, “;”, “:” and “_” I believe should be moved left on the keys to SHIFT position and not AltGr/YellowArrow position
actually we could get even closer if the values on the number rows also moves to SHIFT, somewhat like here from this
(with the blue printed in yellow, and perhaps moved up)
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Here is a layout that is closer to the German desktop layout:
Very good suggestion, especially a nice idea with braces and bracket (and others) close® to their usual pc-positions.
A few of the ones in the second lowest row ">", ";", ":" and "_" I believe should be moved left on the keys to SHIFT position and not AltGr/YellowArrow position
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....and if Sailfish is going to be a supported operating system for the device....
It is, see e.g. this
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Design the QWERTZ layout
in Pro1 - Thoughts & questions
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...And getting a little more off topic, look at the texts "UMSHALTER" und "FESTSTELLER" for "Shift" and "Shift lock" on this old Swizz typewriter (from here)
We better have symbols *LOL*