EskeRahn
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– ẞ and Euro sign can be places as combo / secondary key
Something of note here:
What you have in that post is a capital “Eszett”/sharp s. This thing didn’t officially exist in German orthography until 2017 and has no use besides writing words with ß in all-caps. That way of writing those all-caps words is still very uncommon compared ot the previous method of replacing the ß with SS, which is still valid.
This is not what you find on typical German keyboard. On those you have small, non-captial ß as the character on the keyboard and no direct way to enter the captial one.
This might seem very minor, but it would be odd to have that character on the keyboard print.
Interesting. Did not know that. I see that a lot of windows fonts are not yet(?) updated with the capital sharp S either, and in some the implementation looks dubious (try e.g Segoe UI Black).
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Yes that is correct. But the idea behind the US-Deadkey method is to not be dependent on language. So every possible accent is a dead key -> ” ‘ ^ ` <- you have to press all of them twice to get the char tipped. and “a gives you an ä and ‘a gives you an á and so on. This leads to a lot of dead keys which is especially horrible as a programmer. As far as I know this is the default way windows handles the US-International Input.
I prefer to have a special modifier (defaults to “Alt Gr” i think) which works exactly as a fn key but is standardized. “Alt Gr” + “Q” gives you an ä where “Alt Gr” + “Q” gives you Ä (Unfortunately “Alt Gr” + “a” is used by some useless French character ;-).
This may sound strange at the beginning, but it isn’t really different from pressing “Shift + 3” for a “#” once you got used to it.
Oh I agree with you, I just pointed out that for - I believe - many languages using Latin letters, the use of letters outside A-Z is primarily limited to a few national letters, that deserves dedicate one-stroke keys (like ÄÖÜẞ in German or ÆØÅ in Danish/Norwegian). But sure for languages heavily using accents/diacritics, that is not a possible approach, and here I too would prefer a modifier key over dead keys. But if a language uses many different accents/diacritics they will soon run out of modifier keys, so here the dead key could be a better approach....
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Do other phones get much announcing and behind the scenes stuff? Enough was shown to have me jumping in excitement until juli, but I’d love to see more :D.
This phone needs the news to get people aware and general publicity. Other phones don’t needs this as much due to been a long standing brand .
Well one could argue that this forum is currently to keep us that are already aware of it interested. But catching new people would need other ways as they are unlikely to find this forum by accident. ;)
I guess the forum is going to be much more alive when we all get the devices in our hands, and have all kinds of questions and wishes for what could be tweaked in software updates, or perhaps things shared user-to-user.
Personally I hope there will be a way to share logical key-layouts, so the less nerdy can benefit from what the nerds among us will do for our own devices anyway. (And hopefully possible without the need of rooting).
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…hmmm yesss…and no too. Really old oled/amoled displays butned into totally black…Low resolution phones have this problems not too big. Correct is , that its depends on usage – white screen with black text will burn screen quickly. I have not seen old S2 with burned text on display. Big problems with burning are now on S7 and 8…on both – curved and flat
I only got my S8- for half a year, but the BB Priv for three, and have seen no burn ins (yet?) on either. But could well be a matter of usage pattern. I use my phones/phablets primarily indoors, so seldom in need of high brightness. For both I have used a white theme, though after Pie switched to a black one on the S8-
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…and i forgot…i really dont like oled displays…yess – colors are good, but life is short…it will be burned lite plasma tv :(
Well in my experience it much depends on the usage. Used with a high brightness and/or some of the tempting always-on functionality, yes then OLED can burn, but if not, I do not see it as an issue. Many years ago I had a series of Samsung E870, and the exterior always-on OLED-displays, indeed did get burned out. When an update allowed to turn the always-on function off, the problem was gone, even on this early OLED.
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I agree that more team interaction would be nice. As a volunteer, and not a staff member, I only give out already public available info.
(I was "Moderator", but due to that limited me in doing something (forgot what it was) they gave me the higher role).
I will forward the existence of this thread to the staff.
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I recollect either the N95 or N97 required you to plug in headphones to use the FM radio maybe one of those but I suspect other nokia phones were like it at the time.
All the phones I have had with FM required the use of the headphones as antenna, and this goes for the tiny portable FM-radios I have had too. As the FM lies around a wavelength of 3m, they need something comparable to 1/4 of that, that is comparable to 75cm. So even the largest phablets would struggle with FM with an internal antenna only. It might work with a strong signal under ideal conditions.
So without knowing for sure, I feel quite convinced that the cable is needed.
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2) Du kan se hvilke bånd der understøttes under specs "Network" nederst her
Oh, you see it might not be that practical if we all write in our native tongue. Please write your post in English. ;)
and on 1) I do not see why it should not be possible to send it to e.g. Peru.
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Do not get me wrong, absolutely understand that. I recommend to keep the layout as default as possible.
But this post was about somebody wanting the US-Layout but with the possibility to type special chars. Then I prefer the US-International layout way way before dead keys.
I am not sure what I want QWERTZ or QWERTY. Since I too use my phone mostly for texts in my native language.
So I do completely agree with you, just don’t want to have dead keys at all prices. It is horrible to have to type double-quote two times. Always get in rage if I have to write on a windows-system ;-)
Oh agree to a large extend. Though for Danish dead-keys or not is not a big deal as the only accented letter we use is é, and even that one is seldom. So in all practical usage it is limited to foreign names, and thus not a big deal for us how to get to them.
I see the three common German letters with umlaut and ß as national letters (like our æøå) rather than accented letters. And isn't it the same in German that (other) accents/diacritics are rarely used, so the way to get to them are less important?
(In standard Danish PC layout we have the dead-key approach on two keys on the right side, two steps right of "0" and "P")
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So in the end it is about style and screen size?
I’ve read a lot that people with curved screen do not use the curved part of the screen. So would a bezel really mean we lose anything? I don’t want to be an ass about that, i really want to understand if there are any valid pros of a curved screen. And more screen estate may be a valid pro.
Well I do not know the whys. My point was just that IF they were to change to a 'classic' flat display with bezels that has dimension where it actually protected anything, then that would lead to a (slightly) smaller display area, everything else unchanged.
But I would guess that a big part of it is the style-thing. A usable keyboard in itself is very much a retro thing for many out there, and if it also LOOKED like a 2010 device, some could be scared off.
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I absolutely hate that. That is the windows way, it means you have to press double-quote twice to get a double-quote. I am Swiss and use the US-International Layout with a modifier key. So ‘Alt-Gr’ + specific key gives you what you want, that is waaaay faster.
Personally I on a PC use a Danish physical layout keyboard. But at the least 95% of the time I use it as US, as this is the most efficient for brackets, braces, carats etc needed in coding. The only exception being mail, docs and the like, when written in Danish.
But on a relatively small device like this, I expect that I (relatively) seldom would need the special keys. I mean sure I sometimes write 'odd stuff' in mail&sms, but honestly on my phones&phablets, the keyboard is primarily used for regular texts, so here the national letters are far far more important.
And I would be very surprised if the same did not go for the majority of the potential users of the German layout.
But I love the ability to get to all those special symbols from time to time. Typically if a friend needs help with some math problem.
Personally a non-shifted QWERTZ would be a better physical layout for my usage than the shifted QWERTY, as it is reasonably close to the normal Danish (as well as Swedish and Norwegian) layout, as described in earlier comments.
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This does not at any point list an advantage for the curved screen just for a bigger screen. Why do you want it to be curved? Are there any reasons except style? A little bit more screen size? Do you really use the curved part of the screen?
Well we can do a little calculus knowing the display is 2:1 gives a width of 5.99"*25.4/√(1+2²)=68.04mm. Combined with the width of the device 73.6, we get slightly short of 2.8mm bezels on each side.
Not many devices with traditional mounting have less bezels.
If you look at Meizu 16X, it is pretty close in dimension, and have a ultra thin bezel around the display. But if that thin I doubt that it will help much in protecting the display.EDIT: I'm not sure it got the edges protected either.A device like the Sharp Aquos D10 got slightly larger side bezels.
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Seconding EskeRahn’s notion on that greek thing. It’s getting rather cluttered there design-wise.
So while it’s very temping to have this symbols to type up some shenanigans directly from the keyboard (°ω°), I don’t really see myself using greek characters on a regular basis anywhere (goes for all my devices). I’m not everyone, though.
Well hopefully we will have them as well as many other symbols available from the keyboard, without them being printed. All the modifier keys, gives a huge number of possible combinations, in theory (seeing the right and left modifiers as eight separate) so 2⁸ x 58 gives almost 15000... But even 'only' five not seeing right and left different gives 2⁵ x 58 or 1856, and that should be more than almost any of us would ever need....
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My favourite is still qwertz + greek ;) link
I would not mind that one either, but guess that the audience for that is rather limited. I mean we can have the functionality, but do we need the print?
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OMG… that thing is blue on blue… this is first time I’ve seen that small icon below “Contact”
Thanks a lot.
On a PC browser it is in the top bar. I hope they find a better colour combination for the mobiles also, where it indeed currently is really hard to spot.
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I have a question about the layout of the keyboard.
This might already have been answered but browsing the forum I couldn’t find it.
From a picture of the keyboard on Facebook I noticed that they made two keys for brackets in the second-lowest row before the Z, instead of after the P on the second-highest row. Also there is a `-key between Tab and Q, instead of above the Tab.
What is the reason for these deviations from the ‘regular’ keyboardlayout? And will it affect typing blind?
I’m personally afraid it will cause mistypes because of the placement, but also have a feeling this choice has been made for a reason.
Kind regards,
Ilse.
(Moved your comment to this thread)
The idea is that for languages only using A-Z, this shift would centre the letters more. The idea is that if you operate with two thumbs, and let the left/right thumb do what the left/right hand do on an pc keyboard, it would be a longer stretch for the right one. See the rest of this thread and also the thread on German layout here
(I'm not a fan of the shift either, especially for layouts with national letters)
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I like the curved screen. It makes the device a lot less bulkier and it looks nicer overall. The only downside will be finding a screen protector.
As suggested earlier, I have a perhaps optimistic hope, that cutting one from a S8+ or S9+ with a class cutter might be a possibility, if the side-curvature matches.
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FM Radio is included for sure. FM also makes 3.5mm headphone jack more useful. (Headphone as FM antenna.)
AWESOME! Thanks - may I suggest to add it to the specs. :-D
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@Waxberry, I for one would definitely go for the first of the two. Remember that the national letters are there for a reason: Common usage.
And the idea of the QWERTY/QWERTZ/AZERTY/... is that the letters to the very left/right of the standard block is the least used ones.
The whole point of swapping Y/Z as that Y is really rarely used in German, and Z frequently used. (They got Ü for the sound where we use Y).
Thus it is NOT a big deal that the leftmost letters are the hardest to reach.
And as said earlier, it could even be used in Scandinavia, if not enough users show interest to sustain a dedicated scandinavian one.
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(found the right thread, and moved the comments to this)
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It would be amazing if you’d add “qwertz layout, EU plug” to the pre-order options! :) Shouldn’t be too difficult to just add the option, right? Handling and processing it will be done later anyways, and as it’s a pre order I don’t think you’re obligated to deliver nor do the customers need to actually buy. But it would be a great signal and make a bunch of ppl happy and more pre-orders :)
Well IF the keyboard is 'fixed' and has to be factory mounted you are right. But IF the keyboard is a thing that is easy to replace for us as users, it might simplify (and thus reduce the costs) to deliver all with QWERTY, and have the QWERTZ, Scandic, AZERTY ... or whatever, be a completely separate thing following later.
The pre-order page got a FAQ that could indicate that is what they plan to do (but I do not know)
When will you support other keyboard layouts (QWERTZ, AZERTY, Scandi etc)The Pro1 will ship with QWERTY keyboard layout, when there is sufficient demand we will create additional keyboard layouts.My personal GUESS is that they are very busy with the device, and see the different layout-prints a bit like cherries on top of the cake, that will be handled at a later stage (remember this is a new company, and not a huge corporation with thousands of employees). I assume that we will be able to select different software layouts, no matter what is printed on the keys.
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I don’t quite understand why we can’t edit the pre-order thingi directly.
As soon as they offer more layouts people will ask for that (editing the pre-order) anyway.
Currently it is not a priority, as the only currently available option is the type of power plug, and so few are likely to want to change that, so they can fix that by hand if you mail them at [email protected]
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I dunno about what you’re using today but 250mA for 8 hours a day is plenty for my existing phone. No joke needed.
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Well "joke" was pushing it, but though in principle useful, it is rather impractical for most users daily routines if a device needs over 10 hours for a full charge, I would claim that for the vast majority of users it would be so impractical that it is at the least close to a "joke".
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There’s a pre-orders section?
Click the account silhouette, and select pre-orders in the left band.
(Note that the silhouette icon and "my account" leads to different places - a bit confusing...)
Vote: user removable battery (to use multiple batteries daily)
in Pro1 - Thoughts & questions
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I see this as in the department for wishes for a future Pro², as I find it extremely unlikely that we will see fundamental hardware changes at this late stage of the development of the Pro¹.
I too like replaceable batteries, as I find it much easier to carry some spares, than to have a heavy device. And it also allows us to be more careless with the charging pattern (e.g. fast charge away...), as it would be no big deal how long the total lifespan of each battery would be.
IF the battery is reasonably easy user replaceable on the Pro¹, I would be glad. But as I have not seen anything mentioned on it I doubt it.
If I understand what they are writing correctly, the keyboard should be replaceable, so if that is correct it does leaves a (slim) change that the battery might be accessible under it, without the need of tearing the device apart.
Personally I would generally (not limited to keyboard devices) wish for a device with the possibility of using different size battery-backs. So you could have a slimmer device for the dinner jacket, and thicker for more heavy usage. I had three different sizes for my ancient Samsung S300. Nokia also had some models with different sizes. Of course today, we would like a tiny power-backup, so the device could stay on (screen off, perhaps aeroplane mode) for a short while while swapping batteries.