Misspellings in the system

[fredrick 36]

Hey!

Got my phone and booted it up. There was a misspelling in the text askin me if I had read the 2 documents pertaining to, i think privacy and how you handle my data. I will get a proper screenshot of this for you soon, will setup my phone again tomorrow. The agreement that must be accepted to use android on the phone. I guess it was written by fxtec?

 

Maybe someone else also noticed this? Or maybe no one bothered to actually read the text before agreeing to it? 😛

[sequestris 710]

It was "askin" ? :P

[John Veness 57]

Yes, I noticed the bad writing on that page, which is the AdUps Wireless Update thing.

[fredrick 36]

Im resetting the phone now. Will post a screenshot soon. Maybe they fixed it since i have downloaded 2 ota patches. 🙂

[fredrick 36]

[shani 14]

It actually contains 7 errors.

1. "you need to indicate"
2. "will periodically provide software updates"
3. "Wi-Fi(if Wi-Fi available)"
4. "Wi-Fi (if Wi-Fi available)"
5. "unique identifier (IMEI)"
6. "or in the system settings", "or in the settings menu" or if you'd wanna stick with the original wording (though it'd still sound wrong), "or in the menu of settings"
7. "read the [...] or in the menu of Setting" is not a correct sentence. It should probably say something like "read the [...] which you can also find in the system settings"

 

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me. The device is full of design flaws, software bugs and badly designed hardware, which indicates they either have no QA at all or their QA is dramatically incompetent (or their QA is alright but the product team didn't listen to their QA).

Edited January 30, 2020 by shani

[tdm 2,322]

That screen is the adups updater. The OEM tossed the adups files into the build as binary blobs (not source code), so I doubt they have access to fix it.

 

Personally I'm less annoyed by the spelling and grammar than the fact that you cannot get out of setup without agreeing.

 

 

[EskeRahn 5,460]

1 hour ago, shani said:

which indicates they either have no QA at all or their QA is dramatically incompetent (or their QA is alright but the product team didn't listen to their QA).

...Or maybe you confuse a startup with a multi billion company?

Please mention me just ONE device principally different from what was on the market, that was released flawless. And yes, do also include if from one of the multi billion giants.

If you do not want a device where the software is not polished, you seem to have made a rather naïve choice to pre-order, and not wait to say half a year after general release, to allow for the bugs found to be ironed out.

[fredrick 36]

7 hours ago, shani said:

It actually contains 7 errors.

1. "you need to indicate"
2. "will periodically provide software updates"
3. "Wi-Fi(if Wi-Fi available)"
4. "Wi-Fi (if Wi-Fi available)"
5. "unique identifier (IMEI)"
6. "or in the system settings", "or in the settings menu" or if you'd wanna stick with the original wording (though it'd still sound wrong), "or in the menu of settings"
7. "read the [...] or in the menu of Setting" is not a correct sentence. It should probably say something like "read the [...] which you can also find in the system settings"

 

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me. The device is full of design flaws, software bugs and badly designed hardware, which indicates they either have no QA at all or their QA is dramatically incompetent (or their QA is alright but the product team didn't listen to their QA).

Good list. Now they have something to work with. If they have the ability to alter the text.

2. It says this device will provide... should it be something like this device is provided with... our device. The sentence is a bit weird. But now it's been brought to attention, if they read the forums. 🙂

[david 929]

I figured they couldn't do anything about it, since it was part of the adsup system, not developed by them.  If there are grammatical issues in any of the google apps, it would be the same thing (although they probably have software scanning for such things :-)  ).

[Zamasu 258]

9 hours ago, shani said:

It actually contains 7 errors.

1. "you need to indicate"
2. "will periodically provide software updates"
3. "Wi-Fi(if Wi-Fi available)"
4. "Wi-Fi (if Wi-Fi available)"
5. "unique identifier (IMEI)"
6. "or in the system settings", "or in the settings menu" or if you'd wanna stick with the original wording (though it'd still sound wrong), "or in the menu of settings"
7. "read the [...] or in the menu of Setting" is not a correct sentence. It should probably say something like "read the [...] which you can also find in the system settings"

More, "...that you have read and agree to...", that's shortanable to "...that you have ... agree to..." which is wrong. It should be "...that you have read and agreed to...". Also it should be "I have read the Privacy Policy/Consent Form. I'm assuming they also meant that those checks mean you agreed to the policy and form, but technically they don't. It's pretty bad.

[PC_ 61]

18 hours ago, shani said:

It actually contains 7 errors.

1. "you need to indicate"
2. "will periodically provide software updates"
3. "Wi-Fi(if Wi-Fi available)"
4. "Wi-Fi (if Wi-Fi available)"
5. "unique identifier (IMEI)"
6. "or in the system settings", "or in the settings menu" or if you'd wanna stick with the original wording (though it'd still sound wrong), "or in the menu of settings"
7. "read the [...] or in the menu of Setting" is not a correct sentence. It should probably say something like "read the [...] which you can also find in the system settings"

 

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me. The device is full of design flaws, software bugs and badly designed hardware, which indicates they either have no QA at all or their QA is dramatically incompetent (or their QA is alright but the product team didn't listen to their QA).

Moan moan moan... 🙄

[shani 14]

On 1/31/2020 at 1:26 AM, EskeRahn said:

...Or maybe you confuse a startup with a multi billion company?

Please mention me just ONE device principally different from what was on the market, that was released flawless. And yes, do also include if from one of the multi billion giants.

If you do not want a device where the software is not polished, you seem to have made a rather naïve choice to pre-order, and not wait to say half a year after general release, to allow for the bugs found to be ironed out.

I didn't say the software needs to be polished (actually I don't care about misspellings, for example), but the basic functionality should work flawlessly, yeah. That's why you have QA in any tech company, and it doesn't depend on its size either. Just to name a big company as an example, Samsung constantly throw shitty products on the market. So size doesn't matter at all, even one competent QA expert should be enough to make sure the device fulfills a certain minimum standard when it ships to customers. It doesn't have to be perfect right after release and I never said that.
But your argument makes no sense, pre-ordering and not expecting a certain amount of QA to be done? They literally mentioned doing internal QA themselves in various of their email updates. I would understand if less obvious bugs slipped through their internal QA process, but people in this forum have been finding pretty obvious stuff which fxtec's QA could've easily discovered and reported in the past 6 months or so. 

And @PC_ I don't know where you see any moaning, it was just a very neutral list of spelling errors. 

[EskeRahn 5,460]

2 minutes ago, shani said:

I didn't say the software needs to be polished (actually I don't care about misspellings, for example), but the basic functionality should work flawlessly, yeah. That's why you have QA in any tech company, and it doesn't depend on its size either. Just to name a big company as an example, Samsung constantly throw shitty products on the market. So size doesn't matter at all, even one competent QA expert should be enough to make sure the device fulfills a certain minimum standard when it ships to customers. It doesn't have to be perfect right after release and I never said that.
But your argument makes no sense, pre-ordering and not expecting a certain amount of QA to be done? They literally mentioned doing internal QA themselves in various of their email updates. I would understand if less obvious bugs slipped through their internal QA process, but people in this forum have been finding pretty obvious stuff which fxtec's QA could've easily discovered and reported in the past 6 months or so. 

And @PC_ I don't know where you see any moaning, it was just a very neutral list of spelling errors. 

...This is rather absurd. You REALLY honestly believe that there were/are no Quality Control and they have not ironed out a LOT of major and minor bugs before you even saw it? Please get real.

I for one have since last spring reported a bunch of bugs that have been fixed, many they already knew. And that was even before the beta-testers got them.

And yes it happens that fixing one bug creates a new one, that no one imagined could be related, and hence did not test...

[Rob. S. 1,661]

 

24 minutes ago, shani said:

I would understand

Could have, would have, should have.

Whether you understand or not, this is the only vertical slider phone you get at this point, you have no choice, and complaining doesn't make it better. Either get along with the few bugs it still has and wait until they've been fixed, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY ARE BEING RIGHT NOW WITH THE HELP OF BOTH FXTEC PEOPLE AND THE OTHER USERS HERE, or go look elsewhere. Whining about what they could have done better helps noone – at best it achieves nothing, at worst it keeps someone busy reacting to useless accusations who could use the time and energy to be productive  in making the phone better or in helping getting the remaining pre-orders shipped.    

Edited February 5, 2020 by Rob. S.

[nmelnick 3]

21 minutes ago, shani said:

 I would understand if less obvious bugs slipped through their internal QA process, but people in this forum have been finding pretty obvious stuff which fxtec's QA could've easily discovered and reported in the past 6 months or so.

So, how much more of a delay would have been acceptable to you, for them to continue slogging through that list? There comes a point where you just need to ship it.

Thing is, I give them a ton of room -- they are a startup, it's their first phone, and they had to partner with a bunch of companies to get this done. Other phone companies that were far better funded have churned out some hot garbage. Blackberry or Blackberry/TCL released the PRIV, a mess of a phone with overheating problems, terrible RAM management, and no updates, then the KEYone with displays that fell out, no updates, and horrific spelling and grammar problems, and the KEY2, which solved the screen problem but not the lack of updates or horrid documentation. OnePlus released three generations of phones before they figured out how to provide reasonable software, and even then, some of these little QA issues still persist all the way to the 7.

They seem to be trying. Some of their partners didn't do what they needed to do. At least they are earnest, and they seem to be listening, but the next few months are going to be pretty key in figuring out if they will survive.

[PC_ 61]

13 hours ago, shani said:

I didn't say the software needs to be polished (actually I don't care about misspellings, for example), but the basic functionality should work flawlessly, yeah. That's why you have QA in any tech company, and it doesn't depend on its size either. Just to name a big company as an example, Samsung constantly throw shitty products on the market. So size doesn't matter at all, even one competent QA expert should be enough to make sure the device fulfills a certain minimum standard when it ships to customers. It doesn't have to be perfect right after release and I never said that.
But your argument makes no sense, pre-ordering and not expecting a certain amount of QA to be done? They literally mentioned doing internal QA themselves in various of their email updates. I would understand if less obvious bugs slipped through their internal QA process, but people in this forum have been finding pretty obvious stuff which fxtec's QA could've easily discovered and reported in the past 6 months or so. 

And @PC_ I don't know where you see any moaning, it was just a very neutral list of spelling errors. 

 

On 1/30/2020 at 11:04 PM, shani said:

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me. The device is full of design flaws, software bugs and badly designed hardware, which indicates they either have no QA at all or their QA is dramatically incompetent (or their QA is alright but the product team didn't listen to their QA).

@shani I stand by my original comment.

[Zamasu 258]

13 hours ago, Rob. S. said:

 

Could have, would have, should have.

Whether you understand or not, this is the only vertical slider phone you get at this point, you have no choice, and complaining doesn't make it better. Either get along with the few bugs it still has and wait until they've been fixed, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY ARE BEING RIGHT NOW WITH THE HELP OF BOTH FXTEC PEOPLE AND THE OTHER USERS HERE, or go look elsewhere. Whining about what they could have done better helps noone – at best it achieves nothing, at worst it keeps someone busy reacting to useless accusations who could use the time and energy to be productive  in making the phone better or in helping getting the remaining pre-orders shipped.    

Really? Adding that opinion to an objective list means it's detrimental? Even though there's a valid bug report there? Just what kind of bug reports, that you're saying are happening, are acceptable to you then?