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While I still don't see any evidence that Fxtec would have done so—not even the anonymous text message author provides something like that—IGG has indeed been abused before for something similar to a pyramid scheme, and I think their terms and conditions make it easier than, say, Kickstarter. Those of us who are a bit into photography might know the brand name 'Meyer Optik Görlitz', the name of a traditional German lens manufacturer whose origins are in the late 19th century. While they were quite productive under different names and in different cooperations in East Germany's GDR era, th

Yeah, this isn't from us... Confirmed with our support team and even Liangchen, this isn't how we respond to customers, and definitely not via text message. Please ignore.

I agree. So do I 😉

When money are owed without an agreement on how to pay the debt, things do get chaotic, as it could seem rather arbitrary what order the creditors gets serviced. So I do not disagree. But at the least there is a known source of funding that drip in, though we obviously could all wish they had funds to finish the project faster.

Of course. There is a lot of frustration resonating in that message, wherever it came from.

Sorry, no. IGG is a platform that provides a service. That's like saying, when your website business fails, the company that hosted the website and made money off you is a pyramid scheme. 🙄

It does confirm what I wrote above almost to the letter, even including the words "out of control" and "mess". And I have no behind-the-scenes insight. So, yes, I think this is a quite realistic picture of the situation. Maybe it could be classified a pyramid scheme in the sense that IGG earn their income from companies running their campaigns through them, with many of these campaigns failing, backers and/or companies loosing their money, and with only IGG themselves making profit in the end.

What an odd, and oddly personal, text, especially to be anonymous. It may be quite accurate, but seems to be from the perspective of a lower down employee panicking as they get inundated with complaining emails. The oddest comment is the one about IGG being a pyramid scheme... it would only be a pyramid scheme if it promised a product (which would require new sales to pay for old orders), which it explicitly does not. Requiring funds from other sources because your logistics contractor changed the terms of the contract does not make it a pyramid scheme. Lol.

I got a text message (not email) so I don't know who it came from, but it said: "Listen Maya it's not like we never made the devices or tried to get them to you, but things are out of our control right now. They are taking them from the warehouse, inventory is a hot mess, we don't know who has what and we are seeing them pop up on other sites for way less and we can't stop it. We owe these people money and they don't want to wait to let us get things together. Indiego is a pyramid scheme and we never pretended it was different. We just thought things would go differently and we would be abl

Even though they communicate much more openly since a few days ago (which is good), their "careful" phrasing still leaves room for speculation about what is happening, of course. However that post from "Project owner" I quoted already above seems pretty clear to me: "[...] shops have obtained stock from our warehouse without our permission or knowledge. This action was taken by our warehouse in an attempt to recover a some of the outstanding balance that they are due to paid by us." (emphasis mine) and later: "We are told that 300 devices were given(sold) to the Japanese sh

That was the quote, thanks,, In context it was an answer to why time would help, that there were a dialogue where the quote was a part. As I read the central point was that they are still dripping money in, and these drops are currently paying for shipping.

I agree. In three years, I never dared trying to learn to open the Pro1 single-handedly, out of fear it would jump out of my hand in the process. I could never have afforded an N950 (😉) but even my N900's simple sliding keyboard mechanism was more practical from my point of view. How are you guys opening your phones? Aside from Day 1 I have never had a problem... https://photos.app.goo.gl/cMvjas963yyQAj619

I think the "just a bit", is a bit of an understatement, but else completely agree.

Lucky you, I contacted my bank and they contacted fxtec bank to ask for refund (fxtec support is completely ignoring me for months) , but the refund is not possible, said the money has already been used up, at least they finally confirmed my order which I payed for half a year ago, I guess just 1.5 more years to go, whether it be refund or the phone, i'd like either one at this point