flx 42 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rob. S. said: You're not up to date there. More megapixels tend to mean worse image quality per pixel, but not necessarily per image. Also, phones using sensors like Sony's IMX586 usually operate in a special pixel-binning mode that combines four physical pixels to one, resulting in very good (for smartphone standards) 12 MP images. This chip is definitely better than the one Fxtec previously used. I can tell; it's the same camera that's available as a DIY upgrade for the Fairphone 3 of which there is one in my household, and I've seen the images. For a single-camera phone, they're really good, and I really look forward to getting that camera in my Pro1. Whenever that may be! 😉 It's a higher end sensor that the one before, it doesn't mean it's the best that could be for this value. But as everyone accept and buy smartphones considering the more pixels the better, all the high end smartphones sensors end up having a lot of pixels... 10 years ago it was the same trend on dedicated cameras but now everyone went back from that. On APS-C and 24*36 cameras you have a lot of excellent ones that stays at 24mpx for better sensitivity and pure quality. (Yes there are also a lot of 24*36 that went to 48mpx to handle big prints.) And I have looked to a lot of photos from the last high end big smartphones of the market, and even when taken in perfect conditions on a static subject under a bright sun, it looks very good on instagram but that's it. On anything bigger you see quickly all the details missing, the fake background blur added, the cartoonish light... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. S. 1,634 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, flx said: It's a higher end sensor that the one before, it doesn't mean it's the best that could be for this value. But as everyone accept and buy smartphones considering the more pixels the better, all the high end smartphones sensors end up having a lot of pixels... 10 years ago it was the same trend on dedicated cameras but now everyone went back from that. Not really true; cameras are still increasing pixel count, with currently 60 MP being the maximum for full-frame system cameras... 3 minutes ago, flx said: On APS-C and 24*36 cameras you have a lot of excellent ones that stays at 24mpx for better sensitivity and pure quality. (Yes there are also a lot of 24*36 that went to 48mpx to handle big prints.) And even 60 MP. And for equally sized prints, they're not worse than those 24 MP cameras. Just like 48 MP smartphones are no worse than 10 or 12 MP smartphones when looking at the results at same sizes, whether on a smartphone display, a computer screen or indeed even a print. 6 minutes ago, flx said: And I have looked to a lot of photos from the last high end big smartphones of the market, and even when taken in perfect conditions on a static subject under a bright sun, it looks very good on instagram but that's it. On anything bigger you see quickly all the details missing, the fake background blur added, the cartoonish light... Indeed, that's totally true. But the main reason for that is the small sensor size, not the number of pixels... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lameboyadvance 98 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 11:11 PM, zundappchef said: so its been a while since i heard anything about the new pro1 x some news is better then none i gues Be careful what you wish for... 😞 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rud 123 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, lameboyadvance said: Be careful what you wish for... 😞 Wha' happun? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nobumacsuzuki 10 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rud said: Wha' happun? haven't you seen yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rud 123 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, nobumacsuzuki said: haven't you seen yet? Reading about the downgrade now 😞 Am I glad I got my Pro1 a few months ago! Sorry everyone that hasn't... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nobumacsuzuki 10 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Rud said: Reading about the downgrade now 😞 Am I glad I got my Pro1 a few months ago! Sorry everyone that hasn't... You are a lucky man! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zundappchef 92 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 i gues indeed i have to be carefull what i wish for This to me in unexcepteble u get a downgrade in cpu when the 835 was not the best to begin with But i gues i cant do nothing but wait . This newwer cpu performs across the board 25% to 50% less . They could have seen this problem comming that a outdated cpu wil no longer be manufactured , but choose to ignore it in the hopes it would solve itself now at this point FX tech is just playing with everyones money This problem was already there when this indiegogo campaign started They say in the email its going to take a while 6-9 months To redesign a new phone putting them further behind Gues from what i read and even with my previous order FXtec is always behind on everything Heck i still need to recieve my original order witch i payed for and now more or less u telling me i need to wait on that device a aditional 6 months ( we all know its going to be much more since fx tec structurely lies about it ) When this campaign started they knew we where not going to recieve this phone in march The production takes a little while ( long while ) and they have not even put the cpu's on the boards this means they are not like 3 -6 months behind but more likey closer to 6 to 9 months if not more How about i ask for some honnesty because at this point i feel LIED to constantly Ordering a phone should be a nice experience . not a horror story of what can all go wrong Think about it CEO of FX tec . with this set back u still have to pay all the staff u have hired and in those 9 months or longer u wil have no revenue comming in while u stil have to give support youre money problem is getting bigger not smaller , and in the meanwhile u scamming people out of money and play around with it and their trust like its worth nothing I would not be suprised if we see another indiegogo campaign start up 😞 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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