Doktor Oswaldo

I mean if everybody wants a Swiss layout go on. But there is no need to get access to the markets. The US-International Keyboard handles German/Swiss-German/French/English already perfectly (and Spanish and some Scandinavian stuff). If other people can get used to the Swiss layout it should be no problem as a Swiss to get used to the US-International layout. Yes it may be a little slower to type umlauts. But it seems stupid to make a niche like Switzerland happy and everybody else has to get used to it. From a business perspective it would be the cleverest to look at the pre-orders, pick the

As a Swiss, I absolutely disagree with that. First of all, Switzerland is a very very small market. So this layout would probably only make you and me happy. There is no reason you absolutely need the Swiss layout except you are typing French and German. If you only use one of the languages you could use that layout. I am absolutely against merging different layouts together. Nobody will be really happy. If you want a keyboard everybody can use, use the US-International. It already exists and is an official standard. Do not merge ñ and so on into a Swiss keyboard and try to sell that as an

It is mostly marginal in the EU. But Switzerland is often not really handled in the logistic. I once ordered a chair from GB which had free shipping to the EU. But it was 69.90 Euros to Switzerland. So it is unfortunately not marginal.

The shipping cost would be important for me too. Depending on that I may order it to a different country (Germany instead of Switzerland, because it is in the EU). And fetch it there. Without this information preodering has to wait for me. It may sound stupid but it wouldn't be the first time the extra 50km to Switzerland would cost a fortune.

I agree with you, but people do not change that often any more: (source). Seems that people get that the differences are minor now (that's why folding screens are tried, the industry is hungry for everything that is new. Even if it is that stupid. That is also the reason the timing for the Pro¹ is fantastic!). Only tech-bloggers seem to not understand that (no of course you have to write something). But that could also be a chance for the Pro¹. It will be very easy to write an interesting article about the Pro¹ as long as they focus on the keyboard.

Exactly what I meant. I would guess this is easier to remember and should not be a problem for your muscle memory since you are typing with your thumbs

Agreed. As I am thinking (and unfortunately for you writing) a lot about that, I rather think it isn't stupid. If it would have a flat screen it would look like the Nokia N900 back then. I still would prefer that look, but as a company you wouldn't want to have the looks compared to an old phone in the reviews. Sadly most of the reviews seem to focus quite heavy on the old CPU. Which in my opinion is not that important for 99% of the users. But still leaves the impression of an outdated phone.

To be fair, the galaxy note 8 is way newer than the nokia E7. In these 6 years touchscreens have evolved a lot. Haptic feedback is way better, they are faster, smoother and so on. To put this on the curved screen is most certainly wrong. I completely agree with you that it could be used efficiently with special functions for the curved part. But until now I do not see anything like that. The drawbacks however are known and clear. that makes it hard for some people to understand the decision. But we will have to see, maybe the curved screen will be great.

I (now) understand your point. But I would not shift the numbers. It seems like a good idea. But I imagine, that since you are typing with your thumbs, it does not really matter if the numbers are above the correct keys. I image it is easier to find them if they at their normal places. I just think it would be good to shift as few keys as possible. But that is again only based on my Imagination. Could be dead wrong if you finally had the keyboard in your hand.

Hard to decide without trying it out. But tend to the non-shifted layout, just because we are used to that. But without any hands-on testing we have to trust fxtec. If a non-shifted layout leads to holding the phone always on the left side, close to tipping over... well I would prefer the shifted layout.

To be totally clear. I am quite happy with the phone as it is. I am aware that it is impossible to change the screen now. Of course. And if they would I would say: "Well thats way too late. It is gonna get problems". And I also know that i can't know for sure which version would be cheaper for fx. All I say at the moment is: It is unlikely to be cheaper (but possible) and they should go for a flat screen in the next iteration (in my opinion). The reason why I am keeping this Issue alive is because I want to understand the decision. I am keen to know if there are any real advantages of

As a Swiss I have to admit. We are a really small market. And Switzerland is the iPhone country per excellence. So while I would love to have a real swiss layout to choose from it is probably not worth the struggle out of a business perspective. I think it is better to make a Layout which fits one market perfectly then try to blend all possible qwertz layouts together. Yes some people might be of the loosing side. But the worst thing for the phone would be when everybody says: "Yes the keyboard is good, but has a strange layout". It is way more acceptable if someone says "Yes it is good, it ha

Haha =) Not really. Most of Switzerland talks Swiss-German and writes German. Of course there are French and Italian parts. but if you don't live near these regions you won't use it. Not any more at least. We still have it in School until Highschool, but I am not that young either. Thanks to globalization and the Internet English has taken over. We go further on vacation than 50 years back. And even the French now have to start using English with Tourists. Rhateo-Romance is an entirely different thing. Only 1% of the Swiss Population speaks it (yes native Swiss people not some sort of migr

Exactly what I mean. But if it ends before the edge, the edged part of the display is again unused. On another Note on this Topic: The new Samsung Galaxy S10 will have a Lite edition (S10e) with a flat screen! So Samsung the shiny knight of curved screens does think there are people who want a flat screen or at least buy it even with a flat screen. But the real interesting thing is, it is the cheapest model which has the flat screen. So it seems to be indeed cheaper, even for Samsung, to have a flat screen. This does not 100% mean that it is the same for this phone (Samsung manufacture

Hard question. Switzerland is a bad example. There is no useful Grammar and no useful Spellchecker. Our written Language is German (with some special rules). Yes we write Swiss-German with friends and so on. We just try to type like it sounds. If you write anything to a Person you don't know it gonna be written in German (At least If you have some minor Form of Education). So the Answer to Swiss texts is: No spell-checks or settings at all (which makes using a keyboard like swipe a lot of work to get the dictionary started. I have given up, it just can't detect if I am writing German or Swiss

I fear that swiping from the display to the edge is not that comfortable. You would probably need a lot of pressure to not lose contact with your thumb. So I guess the swiping must ignore the curved part. Edge-only swiping could be a useful feature (scroll through open apps). But it seems that Neither Sailfish nor Android are adding any functionality to the edge. Even Samsung removed it because nobody used it anyway (as far as I know that was the reason). If the Edge does anything at all to swiping it seems to be interfering with it in my opinion. But since somebody said it would help I w

Interesting, in the US, Swiss and German Layout ( and ) are right next to each other (Of course not on the same keys, that would made it to easy to switch). The reason I ask is, because I believe a lot of people insert both braces after each other and then use the back key to get inside it (You see that a lot in programming at least). This is not a productive thing to do so it isn't to bad to make it harder ;-).

I already had this discussion in other threads but for people which are typing different languages on the same keyboard the US-International is a solid way to go. This should work for any combination of western (latin) languages (don't pin me down on the exact terminus, but just languages which are using latin letters). A layout for a specific combinations of two languages however is unrealistic.

Thanks a lot. But this seems to be perfectly possible with a flat screen too.

Capslock is also very common in German-based layouts. I as a Swiss am used to the capslock not the arrow. I would not bother with that and just go for capslock on all keyboards. But that is just my personal opinion. One question to the suggested Layout: Why is the order of the brackets like that: { [ ] } and not like thath { } [ ]. It is not a big problem but seems rather special.

To be clear, I will also buy it no matter what screen. I am glad that somebody builds a slider phone again, everything else is secondary. But I doubt that the curved screen is cheaper. Most of the phones still have a flat screen, they have to be cheaper. But could be a special deal or something, b2b is a strange market. If it really is cheaper, sure go for it why not. But since I highly doubt that it seems like a rather strange decision. The sources I posted earlier in this thread are indicating that not even Galaxy users really like the curved screen. Put the money in a highly controve

Sorry it got really out of hand. My statement in this thread was just: "If you print national layout, keep it as close as possible to the pc layout". These whole modifier discussion took off from there. I would love to see a QWERTZ print. Yes I am not quite sure if I would take that, but I am not the norm. Most people prefer the layout they know from the pc. And I care more about the success of this project than about the right print for me. But yes I personally would love a US-International print on the keyboard. And I just wanted do explain people who are searching a similar thing, wh

That would have to be a lot of special characters. Since you have around 46 special chars per modifier-key. And of course some national letters deserve a one-stroke key. And again I am all for that. But we are talking about two different things: 1. A dedicated layout for some languages. National letters should be one-stroke if used a lot (as close as possible to the pc layout). 2. A US-International Keyboard. This is worth a lot for users who use shortcuts heavily (vim users for example). Since a lot of shortcut are designed for the US-Layout it can be pain to use another layout (vim

Yes that is correct. But the idea behind the US-Deadkey method is to not be dependent on language. So every possible accent is a dead key -> " ' ^ ` <- you have to press all of them twice to get the char tipped. and "a gives you an ä and 'a gives you an á and so on. This leads to a lot of dead keys which is especially horrible as a programmer. As far as I know this is the default way windows handles the US-International Input. I prefer to have a special modifier (defaults to "Alt Gr" i think) which works exactly as a fn key but is standardized. "Alt Gr" + "Q" gives you an ä where "A

Do not get me wrong, absolutely understand that. I recommend to keep the layout as default as possible. But this post was about somebody wanting the US-Layout but with the possibility to type special chars. Then I prefer the US-International layout way way before dead keys. I am not sure what I want QWERTZ or QWERTY. Since I too use my phone mostly for texts in my native language. So I do completely agree with you, just don't want to have dead keys at all prices. It is horrible to have to type double-quote two times. Always get in rage if I have to write on a windows-system ;-)