Doktor Oswaldo

Sorry nothing at all against your poll. I am indeed glad you made it. I am just saying, that the 13 votes could be the same very eager person. But at least you can see why they confirmed a German layout.

To be comparable you should sum up US and US international. But the Poll is pretty useless at the moment anyway. Only 34 votes so only 13 people voted for the German Layout. That is not enough to measure a trend.

ya sneaky bastard =D

Upps, didn't saw that, was to greedy to jump to the video. Could have saved me 37 minutes. Sorry and thank you for posting the timestamp.

The interesting part starts at 37:15

Agreed, I just tried to show the motivation of the post. I would leave ~ where it belongs to (on the + key accessible with Alt Gr) and while preferring a third character set on the keys (not only for german layouts) I would also prefer to have the key at the right place without a print.

You are right, the US-International allows to type in other languages too. There are two approaches: 1. Dead key: In my opinion this is horrible, it means that some keys like " are waiting for another key. So "a gives you an ä and 'A an Á and so on. To type a normal " you have to press it twice. This approach actively hurts normal US Users. 2. Alt Gr: This is what we are talking about. Characters of other languages are well hide behind the Alt Gr key (Alt Gr+q = ä, Alt Gr+Q = Ä ...). This is faster and does not obstruct US-Users other than it would need an additional colour and a third set

Th The tilde ~ is normally on Alt-Gr + + I think the suggested layout tries to eliminate the need to print a third character on the key.

Absolutely. A nice stable product which can open this fabulous niche again is the target. Yes other projects have a fancy social media guy which does polls and ask for feedback all the time, but in this project-phase it is just show. I like the silent concentrated approach. They do not promise us anything they can't deliver (I at least hope so). And of course there are still a lot of wishes, but to be honest this phone is more than I dreamed to hope a year ago.

Please add Swiss (QWERTZ) and US-International to the selections.

I agree with you in your point, but would also like to defend them a little bit. I bet they have an awful lot of work to do until July and not that much time to answer questions. It may seem like little work, but I guess some of the questions are sent over and over again. Yes it would be nice to hear more, but this isn't crowdfunding. They have not taken our money, they own us nothing. Still they at least do much more than the big companies do.

"They can either choose to cancel or accept" That is what I mean. To make the pre-order valid the customer has to actively accept the new pre-order (with US-Layout). This makes it really hard to pre-produce the phone. How many will cancel it? The whole sense behind the pre-order is to have a good estimate about the number of phones they have to produce. Pre-order people also want the phone as soon as it is out. So it is crucial to have enough, but every unit to much is a loss. Of course an open poll would be easier, but you also have to consider following two points: - Drawing people to t

IF they would do it like that, that would most certainly work (not a lawyer). But this would mean, that everybody who does not get the wished layout has to explicitly accept the new pre-order. A lot of people surely would. This means that the pre-order count is a worse indicator for how many device they have to produce, which is all that matters about this pre-order button.

Pre-Ordering with a layout selection will most likely not work on a legal scale. Your pre-order would not be valid if the layout does not match. No matter how clear it was stated. But a poll would be a good thing for sure.

The question however is, how do the gestures behave in the landscape orientation? I don't think that the Google Fingerprint API allows for oriented gestures, or does it? I do not know of a case where you can use the gestures in landscape mode, but not tried that very much. The position in the back would for sure be better to reach from your typical keyboard grip.

Yeah I know I seem to be the only one to use "AltGr" but it is a must. There is a reason it is a different key than "alt" and removing a modifier key is always a pain. Keeping it close to the PC-Layout also means it will be easier to use a different OS.

Exactly. I hate it. But the only real reason to use the fingerprint sensor is for my password-manager anyway. There it is super tiresome to enter my long and complex master-pw with these stupid touchscreens. This will hopefully not be a problem with this phone. So for me no reader at all would do it, but it is a nice addition. Hopefully it will not be in the way of a good secure grip

I have experienced both methods. I like the side mounted one way better. The button is most of the time at a position you do not accidentally touch (below or above your normal thumb position). The one I have in the back is easy reachable with my index finger and allows for some gestures. This is strange but actually great until you put a case on With my case put on, it gets really hard to put the finger in a valid position, since it has to lie flat on the area.

Umph forget it, that case. I thought it is the external case (Which would have been a massive improvement to the transparent thing they already showed). Stupid me. In that case I am 100% with you, I hope it is flat or at least not wobbling. I am using my phone quite a lot to watch some stuff. So I hope to use that small angle.

I quite like the design. However it is a marketing photo and as a such not reviewable. How does it look from the front? I guess the bottom half of the phone has to be broader than the top half with the case on. This could look horrible.

I don't have notifications either

Since Android has a native HW-keyboard support this should work. But I have never tried it, so in what degree it is working is not clear to me. At least there is somewhere a review of the pro1 which showed that you can select icons from your home screen with the arrow keys. If it is possible there, i bet you could control pretty much all of android with the keyboard. Everything else will be dependent on the App.

Exactly what I say. Do a layout right. It is better to make a majority as happy as possible than to try to make everyone a little happy (which will fail). I mean would be great to see the phone (or the version 2) with a truckload of different prints someday. But to have 2 or more layouts merged isn't what will bring non-techies into the phone!

I second that. But it is definitely an understandable business decision. The price is already quite high for the specs (without the keyboard). Now I will happily pay that. But for a lot of people 650 is an awful lot of money (especially if you are not from Scandinavia or Switzerland). The retro apparel could be the biggest risk for not selling it. Making it even more looking from the past (thicker with a removable lid) may be a step too far for now. Maybe it is better to have a look how this phone sells. I know we both now that it would be better, but do people know it in generally? I th

Don't get me wrong, would love a Swiss layout. But I think it is not a good idea for fxtec to appeal to such a small market (at least now). Fxtec has the number of pre-orders. So if there are more from Germany and Scandinavia than from Switzerland it is an easy decision. The idea is not to have a German+Scandinavian Layout. The Idea is to have a German layout. The Scandinavian guys here are just saying, that this would work for them too. Why is the international keyboard not enough productive for you? It is just a matter of get used to it (As it would be for other people to learn the Sw