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6 hours ago, matf said:

Ubu chroot on Pro¹ running SFOS:

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Thanks Preflex and TheKit!

 

That's great! So how's performance? Does video playback use the hardware decoder? Is there some way to emulate a mouse pointer to make it easier to click on small things and active mouse hover actions? I'm interested in the Pro1 as a UMPC with mobile broadband for desktop OS use on the go only. It's great that some devices are coming out with keyboards and potential desktop Linux distro support (ie. Pro1 and Planet Computers devices) but I really need a mouse pointer.

 

Thanks!

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Performance is OK for me, Xfce4 starts fast, and navigation in the menus or in the browser is smooth. Video playback works, but I don't know if it's hardware decoded. I installed vainfo but it doesn't display anything useful. 

I am not sure about the pointer, I haven't looked into it yet. You would want something like Teamviewer mobile, right? At the moment, it works like a touch screen, not a touchpad, and you cannot pinch to zoom, so you need better accuracy than with an emulated touch pad. Perhaps there are ways to do it though, I'm not sure.

You can change the dpi to change the UI size, however. The size you see on the screenshots is the right spot for me for maximal screen estate and acceptable click accuracy. I also have the stylus you can see on the pictures, but being a capacitive stylus, it doesn't change much compared to the fingers, except it doesn't obstruct the view.

Weirdly, long tap does not emulate right click on XFCE4 apparently, but it does in Chromium. This is something I would like to fix, perhaps using a different DE.

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No hw decoding, at least not in Chromium:

 

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On 12/21/2019 at 4:06 PM, moogaloo said:

That's great! So how's performance? Does video playback use the hardware decoder? Is there some way to emulate a mouse pointer to make it easier to click on small things and active mouse hover actions? I'm interested in the Pro1 as a UMPC with mobile broadband for desktop OS use on the go only. It's great that some devices are coming out with keyboards and potential desktop Linux distro support (ie. Pro1 and Planet Computers devices) but I really need a mouse pointer.

 

Thanks!

Really for a UMPC the Cosmo Communicator is perhaps a better choice, assuming that you don't mind that it's a really weird phone. 😛

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15 hours ago, matf said:

Performance is OK for me, Xfce4 starts fast, and navigation in the menus or in the browser is smooth. Video playback works, but I don't know if it's hardware decoded. I installed vainfo but it doesn't display anything useful. 

I am not sure about the pointer, I haven't looked into it yet. You would want something like Teamviewer mobile, right? At the moment, it works like a touch screen, not a touchpad, and you cannot pinch to zoom, so you need better accuracy than with an emulated touch pad. Perhaps there are ways to do it though, I'm not sure.

You can change the dpi to change the UI size, however. The size you see on the screenshots is the right spot for me for maximal screen estate and acceptable click accuracy. I also have the stylus you can see on the pictures, but being a capacitive stylus, it doesn't change much compared to the fingers, except it doesn't obstruct the view.

Weirdly, long tap does not emulate right click on XFCE4 apparently, but it does in Chromium. This is something I would like to fix, perhaps using a different DE.

 

14 hours ago, matf said:

No hw decoding, at least not in Chromium:

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Thank you for looking into it some more. If the CPU can play most videos fine, then that's still good. Hoping to see more progress.

 

1 hour ago, silversolver said:

Really for a UMPC the Cosmo Communicator is perhaps a better choice, assuming that you don't mind that it's a really weird phone. 😛

I'm more interested in thumb/handheld use cases. The Cosmo Communicator is more of a table/lap device or at least an uncomfortable thumbing experience. So if both the Cosmo and Pro1 get decent desktop Linux distro support, then I'd choose the Pro1.

I'm also looking at the DragonBox Pyra with built-in LTE (it also has a mouse pointer). Although, I'm not sure the very old SoC is good enough and I don't really like the gaming design of it.

Anyway, I'm looking at several devices as my potential future UMPC but all of them are work-in-progress at various stages and have their pros/cons to consider for my use cases. Maybe in the end, only 1 of them end up getting good desktop Linux support which makes the choice easier.

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15 hours ago, matf said:

No hw decoding, at least not in Chromium:

To be fair, neither Chromium* nor Firefox appear to support hardware accelerated video decoding even on Linux desktops. Though it's typically less dramatic there.
*works with certain forks, but not official builds

mpv might be worth testing for that, but keep in mind it doesn't use hardware decoding by default, so lookup how to enable that.

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True!  No hardware decoding in linux browsers with official builds.  Ran into that on my p4... youtube in browser above 360p pegs cpu... where vlc can play youtube 720p @ 40% cpu on same machine.

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Exactly, I have the same hw decoding issues with my Chromium-based browser on Linux, and even an i5 7th generation struggles on Youtube. I typically use mpv <URL> all the time in terminal. I tried that on Ubu chroot, but unfortunately running a command in the Ubu shell will fail to open a graphic window in SFOS. I don't know if there is a workaround. Maybe this would work from the terminal within Ubu chroot though, I'll try that.

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A simple video showing the SFOS port on the Pro¹, and more specifically Ubu Chromium (run in its own window, and then from xfce4 desktop environment): https://youtu.be/DLl92bISgAo

I'm sorry about the overexposure of white web pages. I lowered the screen brightness and adjusted the camera settings, but not enough. 😕

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On 11/12/2019 at 6:41 AM, FlyingAntero said:

With Android 10 you are able to use desktop mode over HDMI. It needs little bit tweaking but I believe it will be more useful after devs look into it.

https://www.xda-developers.com/make-android-10-desktop-mode-useful/

Android-10-Custom-Desktop.jpg

There is now a launcher that supports Android 10 native desktop mode. I really hope that Pro1 will get Android 10 update soon!

Flow Desktop is the first launcher built for Android 10’s hidden Desktop Mode

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On 12/28/2019 at 2:03 AM, FlyingAntero said:

There is now a launcher that supports Android 10 native desktop mode. I really hope that Pro1 will get Android 10 update soon!

Flow Desktop is the first launcher built for Android 10’s hidden Desktop Mode

I'm sure it will, probably in an official and unofficial LOS variety. However, the use case here is of limited appeal so I don't think they'll hurry just for this. It is pretty slick though.

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On 12/26/2019 at 9:38 AM, matf said:

A simple video showing the SFOS port on the Pro¹, and more specifically Ubu Chromium (run in its own window, and then from xfce4 desktop environment): https://youtu.be/DLl92bISgAo

I'm sorry about the overexposure of white web pages. I lowered the screen brightness and adjusted the camera settings, but not enough. 😕

Thanks for the video! I can't quite see what's going on in the screen but it seems some light pages load quickly and scrolling is decent. I wonder how more "heavy" websites fair like Amazon product pages (the product images tend to take a while to load) or loading multiple webpages at the same time.

It looks like the Xcfe session acts like just another app. Is that right? If so, when it's in the background, does it sleep or keep running?

Thank you.

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On 1/1/2020 at 1:46 AM, moogaloo said:

Thanks for the video! I can't quite see what's going on in the screen but it seems some light pages load quickly and scrolling is decent. I wonder how more "heavy" websites fair like Amazon product pages (the product images tend to take a while to load) or loading multiple webpages at the same time.

It looks like the Xcfe session acts like just another app. Is that right? If so, when it's in the background, does it sleep or keep running?

Thank you.

Page load really is quick, much faster than with the Sailfish Browser, and it can handle up to ten tabs with no memory issue. Scrolling is fast, sometimes too fast, you have to be more gentle than with a mobile browser. Most of all, the video shows that I can operate tabs and navigation just from the keyboard (new tabs, close tabs, focus address field, reopen tabs, switch tabs, previous/next), which not only feels great, but also is very efficient and faster than anything else I could imagine on a phone. Coming back to the Sailfish Browser really feels painful just when I need to open a tab or switch tab, despite the Sailfish Browser UI being easier to use than most Android browsers (no buttons are to reach on the top of the screen).

Amazon wouldn't be an issue, the limit really is the network connection at the time of loading to be honest. Any website works, it literally is a desktop browser and the 6 GB of the Pro¹ are plenty enough unless you have many tabs open. You can see also in the video that I open the Chromium window with an ongoing session with multiple tabs opened, not a problem for the Pro¹.

Xfce behaves like another app (but will only work in landscape), and it has of course its own multitasking capability, which is really nice. Alt+Tab is already mapped on my Pro¹ to switch between SFOS applications (including Xfce itself), so I mapped another keybinding for Ubuntu Xfce's own task switcher. The window snapping is very useful, since SFOS has no split screen feature. Ubuntu chroot is not sleeping when minimized, and after several days of use, I can confirm it does eat more battery, but that was to be expected. It still is a huge functional and convenience leap forward for a mobile device. I use it every day, Chromium within Xfce is by far the application I use the most on my Pro¹. Feels like having a laptop at hand all the time without the need to plug it or put it to sleep between uses.

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I have been playing with chroot on the Pro¹ lately, extremely happy with it, even though it is still rough around the edges. Even my N900 never felt so close to an actual pocketable computer. Therefore, moar pics. I typed this post and uploaded images using the Pro¹.

cmus (not affected by SFOS volume, but it has its own volume settings anyway):

zRJA.jpg

cmus and nnn file manager side by side, I really appreciate tiling since SFOS does not allow that:

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And an additional tile for another tool:

zRJN.jpg

Some random programs in different terminals in Tilix and the sidebar showing current sessions toggled on:

zRJK.jpg

Neomutt:

zRJ8.jpg

Tilix can be run in its own window without xfce4 and other processes in the bacground, as shown here with two tiles with micro and some nice cli-tools (the 0x0 script works in SFOS shell too by the way):

zRJo.jpg

Same, seen from the home screen:

zRJi.jpg

xfce4 multitasking:

zRJs.jpg

In the end I mostly use chroot with xfce4 because the multitasking between terminal and full fledged web browser is great, and Tilix can be toggled to full screen anyway, which looks even better than when run as a standalone SFOS window:

zR4C.jpg

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Отлично !!! Можете ли вы установить build-essential packege в свой чот? какая версия GCC доступна? Я планирую собрать QTcreator и запустить его на PRO1. Теперь я хочу, чтобы мой PRO1 еще больше. Боже мой, это просто чудо!  Hike my sony vaio ux and nokia n950 very soon will go on a well-deserved vacation!

 

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Excellent !!! Can you install build-essential packege in your chot? What version of GCC is available? I plan to build QTcreator and run it on PRO1. Now I want my PRO1 even more. Oh my god, this is just a miracle! Hike my sony vaio ux and nokia n950 very soon will go on a well-deserved vacation!

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46 minutes ago, sixaxis said:

Отлично !!! Можете ли вы установить build-essential packege в свой чот? какая версия GCC доступна? Я планирую собрать QTcreator и запустить его на PRO1. Теперь я хочу, чтобы мой PRO1 еще больше. Боже мой, это просто чудо!  Hike my sony vaio ux and nokia n950 very soon will go on a well-deserved vacation!

Det er temmeligt upraktisk hvis vi hver især skriver på vores eget sprog herinde....

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9 hours ago, sixaxis said:

Можете ли вы установить build-essential packege в свой чот? какая версия GCC доступна?

Yes. It's a generic ubuntu 18.04 image apart from low-level integration into sailfish (or lack of) like host system sound mixer / power manager and input methods.

Available gcc version is 8.3.0.

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9 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

Det er temmeligt upraktisk hvis vi hver især skriver på vores eget sprog herinde....

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Sorry! Its chrome page autotranslater... I writed it in anglish 🙂 

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8 minutes ago, sixaxis said:

Sorry! Its chrome page autotranslater... I writed it in anglish 🙂 

Ah I see. 😂

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1 hour ago, t3hwx9 said:

Yes. It's a generic ubuntu 18.04 image apart from low-level integration into sailfish (or lack of) like host system sound mixer / power manager and input methods.

Available gcc version is 8.3.0.

Thank you! If you have the time and desire, could you build some large application on the phone, for example, QT library version 5. Or at least show the output of the "configure" script. I ask this because in my chroot (in nokia n950, debian squeeze) I had to edit the source code of the QT libraries so that the assembly was successful. There were also some problems with binutils and with some other libraries. I wonder how much time I have to "work with a file" on my PRO1 so that he could fully build any programs. It took me almost a year to set up the n950, in order to bring my
phone to the "portable IDE".
 I apologize for my English, this is a Google translator. Thanks.

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There are build tools available natively under Sailfish too, and I'm pretty sure QT is fully supported.  I'm not a developer, but for fun I tried to build mupen64plus (N64 emulator) from 2.5.9 source pack on Pro¹, and was able to do it.   I noted every package I installed to get the make to work, and other than one of the video plugins saying it didnt support aarch64, make worked fine, and the output runs.

zypper install SDL2 SDL2-devel libpng libpng-devel freetype freetype-devel zlib zlib-devel gcc make nasm gcc-c++ libhybris-libGLESv2-devel boost-devel

Point being, if that worked so easily for someone like me that doesn't really know what they're doing, someone who does know what they're doing can probably build anything!  (A couple of those packages may have been pre-installed and a couple may have not actually been needed.)

 

I also tried ubu chroot.  LibreOffice works fine and seems fast.  Games like supertux, supertuxkart, extremetuxracer run too slow to be playable.  Chromium is fine (and supports finger scrolling,, pinch to zoom, etc), but dont expect HD in youtube...  xfce puts the clock text sideways if i make my panels vertical which is a minor glitch I noticed.

edit: youtube can handle HD in software - we got 8 cores!

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I really think XFCE is the desktop solution that works if you want it.  OpenOffice works great.   Ubuntu has huge repo of software.

And, correcting my earlier post, etr works great!

https://twitter.com/enigma9o7/status/1217272071178215424

 

And here's some random screenshots (not actually random, made them to show someone else how I did my scaling settings)

 

 

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6 hours ago, Craig said:

I really think XFCE is the desktop solution that works if you want it.  OpenOffice works great.   Ubuntu has huge repo of software.

And, correcting my earlier post, etr works great!

https://twitter.com/enigma9o7/status/1217272071178215424

 

And here's some random screenshots (not actually random, made them to show someone else how I did my scaling settings)

 

 

 

 

 

Have you tried a tilling WM like awesomeWM or i3 (btw awesome really is awesome)?

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