QWERTZ User Layout Setup

[Waxberry 638]

For all the QWERTZ users, please set-up the physical keyboard layout after the initial setup. (Only needs to do this once)

ADD (EskeRahn): During the initial set-up use the touch keyboard to enter Wifi and account credentials,  until the wizard suggests you to configure the physical keyboard at the end.

If you skipped the set-up by the wizard then please go to hardware keyboard setting. This can go from drop down menu when after boot, or Setting - System - Languages and Input - Physical keyboard

For QWERTZ user, please click "Setup Keyboard Layouts" and select German

For QWERTY user, please remain unselected (default), please do not select US or UK English, please uncheck all. (In fact you don't need to do anything it's "default" by default)

[Swond 120]

Even for other languages, which uses QWERTZ layout? We should set German?

[Waxberry 638]

Just now, Swond said:

Even for other languages, which uses QWERTZ layout? We should set German?

Yes, the current QWERTZ layout is different from a standard one (it was made by the community) So we currently put this layout under German. In the future we could expand it into other German-speaking nation settings

[VaZso 1,998]

1 hour ago, Waxberry said:

In the future we could expand it into other German-speaking nation settings

It would be good to have an option to define custom layouts as well.

I have not even tried to locate appropriate files under Android but I hope the system can be easily modified to achieve this (however, I strongly think root access will be required), so I mean a somewhat similar way what worked under my N900.

For me, I would be happy if I could easily use national (Hungarian) characters with the help of Pro1's modifier keys.
(I mean characters like áéíóöőúüű / ÁÉÍÓÖŐÚÜŰ)

On my N900, I could write very fast using my redefined layout and the modifier key.

Pro1 should be much better in this relation as it has a really full-featured keyboard.
So the best would be if a custom keyboard editor would be existed but is still very good if anyone could make an own layout which don't destroy anything else. 🙂

I just would like to mention I am not belong to any German-speaking nation, but QWERTZ layout was much closer for me to the optimal one.
Personally, I would have been chose the non-shifted US layout if it was existed anyway as the two layouts I would like to use some way are English (for terminal or maybe programming) and Hungarian (for casual communication). So that way at least one layout would be closer to one what I use - so German is not the best for me but at least most of the keys are in place.

However, my N900 had English layout while all of my special (Hungarian) characters were reachable at convenient places using the blue arrow.

PS: Hungarian layout also use QWERTZ arrangement, however, I really hate that idea and I also use QWERTY on my keyboard regardless of what is written on that key. 🙂

[Swond 120]

Same here, that was the reason, why I asked. Czech layout also uses qwertz, but national characters differs from German of corse.

[SchattengestaIt 559]

Typically, you can set up and change your keys individually by a file named keychar or similar in Android. For the Droid 4 I had to edit two files for changes to be made (i.e. change y/z), but it was very easy to do.

First thing I will do with this device is to unable Caps lock (or change it to ALT+Caps). But you have lots of options.

[SchattengestaIt 559]

By the way, you can also assign keys like this:

Ö = ö

SHIFT+Ö = Ö

ALT+Ö = ő

SHIFT+ALT+Ö = Ő

Other keys should be accessable like usual (´+ o = ó)

I'm sure you'll find a solution that fits you.

[EskeRahn 5,459]

12 minutes ago, SchattengestaIt said:

Typically, you can set up and change your keys individually by a file named keychar or similar in Android. For the Droid 4 I had to edit two files for changes to be made (i.e. change y/z), but it was very easy to do.

First thing I will do with this device is to unable Caps lock (or change it to ALT+Caps). But you have lots of options.

If possible I would love to use caps lock for selection between Danish and English, and have the led indicate one of them. But I guess that is beyond the normal mapping files described here

https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-layout-files

https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent

https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-character-map-files

[SchattengestaIt 559]

I don't know how to accomplish that, but you should be able to start a small script with it (Pro 1 is specifically designed for shortcuts) and that should be able to change the layout setting.
Very interesting idea.

[EskeRahn 5,459]

The Open source FinQwerty extends the layout to something I would have expected the Pro1 had out of the box. Including an improved German for qwertZ, but also other layouts. So I will highly recommend that people consider it over the default "German" as this is currently implemented.

Especially shift doubling for Fn on the yellow-printed keys, except the letter keys. e.g. Shift+1 gives "!" and not just "1".

[Sean McCreary 328]

14 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

The Open source FinQwerty extends the layout to something I would have expected the Pro1 had out of the box. Including an improved German for qwertZ, but also other layouts. So I will highly recommend that people consider it over the default "German" as this is currently implemented.

FYI, I have imported the Pro1 FinQwerty v1.5.1 key character maps (kcm files) into my LineageOS builds. If there are other kcm files that people have worked out for the Pro1, I'd be happy to add them as well. The current FinQwerty maps add support for Czech, Danish, Finnish, Norwegian, and Swedish, as well as the alternate German mapping.

For reference, you can find the patches required to add additional kcm files to a device build here:

https://github.com/mccreary/android_device_fxtec_pro1/commits/lineage-16.0/AsantiKeypad

The last of the three is not necessary for the stock Pro1 kernel, which maps ESC to back in the keyboard driver.

[EskeRahn 5,459]

5 minutes ago, Sean McCreary said:

FYI, I have imported the Pro1 FinQwerty v1.5.1 key character maps (kcm files) into my LineageOS builds. If there are other kcm files that people have worked out for the Pro1, I'd be happy to add them as well. The current FinQwerty maps add support for Czech, Danish, Finnish, Norwegian, and Swedish, as well as the alternate German mapping.

For reference, you can find the patches required to add additional kcm files to a device build here:

https://github.com/mccreary/android_device_fxtec_pro1/commits/lineage-16.0/AsantiKeypad

The last of the three is not necessary for the stock Pro1 kernel, which maps ESC to back in the keyboard driver.

Awesome. Remember that it also offers US-International, as well as standard US

[divstar 164]

What if I want to type in e.g. Russian on a QWERTZ keyboard?

[Doktor Oswaldo 904]

On 12/25/2019 at 12:38 AM, divstar said:

What if I want to type in e.g. Russian on a QWERTZ keyboard?

Use the US-International layout from here: https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/pro1-test32.html

[EskeRahn 5,459]

11 hours ago, Doktor Oswaldo said:

Use the US-International layout from here: https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/pro1-test32.html

That wont help much, as this is the Latin based letters only, not the Cyrrilic ones.

[Vid 10]

On 12/24/2019 at 4:38 PM, divstar said:

What if I want to type in e.g. Russian on a QWERTZ keyboard?

There are two Russian keyboard layouts included with stock Android. They aren't optimized for the Pro1, but you could check if they are usable. You can find them in the settings app under system->languages->physical keyboard->Fxtec Pro1->set up keyboard layouts

[EskeRahn 5,459]

1 hour ago, Vid said:

There are two Russian keyboard layouts included with stock Android. They aren't optimized for the Pro1, but you could check if they are usable. You can find them in the settings app under system->languages->physical keyboard->Fxtec Pro1->set up keyboard layouts

They technically both work, but you are sort of 'on your own', as everything except the numbers are 'wrong'. So If you got a good memory, or a steady hand so you can scrape of the black for each symbol you are fine... And only plain and with Shift&Ctrl works. Nothing with Alt or Fn, as far as I can see.

It seems like the standard on a QWERTY, based on the US shifted QWERTY

(The differences between the two layouts are very small btw)

[Vid 10]

4 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

They technically both work, but you are sort of 'on your own', as everything except the numbers are 'wrong'. So If you got a good memory, or a steady hand so you can scrape of the black for each symbol you are fine... And only plain and with Shift&Ctrl works. Nothing with Alt or Fn, as far as I can see.

It seems like the standard on a QWERTY, based on the US shifted QWERTY

(The differences between the two layouts are very small btw)

 

If you are interested in improving the layouts, the source files are here:

https://github.com/aosp-mirror/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/packages/InputDevices/res/raw

[Bmbx 0]

Which physical keyboard is more suitable for Czech / Slovak, qwertz or qwerty ?

Edited December 28, 2019 by Bmbx

[Swond 120]

1 hour ago, Bmbx said:

Which physical keyboard is more suitable for Czech / Slovak, qwertz or qwerty ?

I guess since noone of czech or slovak customers have the phone yet, noone can tell you exactly. On the other hand, I am curious about that too! (Ahoj! )  I think we will have to combine FinQwerty and the key mapper what has its own toppic here. 

[divstar 164]

10 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

They technically both work, but you are sort of 'on your own', as everything except the numbers are 'wrong'. So If you got a good memory, or a steady hand so you can scrape of the black for each symbol you are fine... And only plain and with Shift&Ctrl works. Nothing with Alt or Fn, as far as I can see.

It seems like the standard on a QWERTY, based on the US shifted QWERTY

(The differences between the two layouts are very small btw)

If this is the layout I get, it is more or less the right one.

Edit: just tried it. The layout is not entirely random, but many cyrillic letters are somewhere different from where they should be. Still nice that it works at all.

Edited December 28, 2019 by divstar

[EskeRahn 5,459]

44 minutes ago, Swond said:

I guess since noone of czech or slovak customers have the phone yet, noone can tell you exactly. On the other hand, I am curious about that too! (Ahoj! )  I think we will have to combine FinQwerty and the key mapper what has its own toppic here. 

FinQWERTY already got a layout for Czech based on qwertY. And I guess it would not be hard to persuade him to make it for qwertZ too. You could try using his Donate button 😇

If one or the other is the best generally divides people. I personally prefer the qwertZ print even for US-qwertY usage, as it is closer to standard layouts with national letters right of the A-Z block, despite the swapped Y/Z.

[Bmbx 0]

20 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

FinQWERTY already got a layout for Czech based on qwertY. And I guess it would not be hard to persuade him to make it for qwertZ too. You could try using his Donate button 😇

If one or the other is the best generally divides people. I personally prefer the qwertZ print even for US-qwertY usage, as it is closer to standard layouts with national letters right of the A-Z block, despite the swapped Y/Z.

 

I ordered QWERTZ and now I'm worried that I will have a confusion in the layout of the symbols after setting up the keyboard

[EskeRahn 5,459]

2 hours ago, Bmbx said:

 

I ordered QWERTZ and now I'm worried that I will have a confusion in the layout of the symbols after setting up the keyboard

Let us see if we can not persuade Anssi to make the one he made for Czech for the physical qwertY in a variant for the qwertZ too,

....You might help persuading him by 'giving  a beer' with the donate button. 😇

[mosen 202]

3 hours ago, Bmbx said:

 

I ordered QWERTZ and now I'm worried that I will have a confusion in the layout of the symbols after setting up the keyboard

No fear.
So far community members have perfectly helped each other in configuring and afaik everyone solved eventual starting issues.
I had perfectly mapped QWERTZ on Android thanks to community members explaining FinQwerty use to me.
Now that i run Sailfish i try to give back and have propsed a mapping for SFOS QWERTZ.

Just ask here or in the unofficial Discord for more chattier help!