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The images looks better than I expected, but I have not done any real testing, and anyway it would not be quite fair to conclude much currently, as they are clearly not done tuning stuff. The apps I have tried only use one of the cameras.

@MortisAngelus Oh i do not mean that every app HAVE to be in landscape, but if you primarily use it for typing, it would seem silly to change to close the keyboard, change to portrait, switch to the internet radio app, switch channel, and then open and turn into landscape to continue what you were doing. But SURE if you take the phone from the pocket just to use one of these portrait only apps with touch only, it would not be an issue, that the program designers were lazy/incompetent. But frankly only for very special apps I see good reasons to NOT offer both portrait and landscape - an

In FF (have not tested with other browsers) you can scroll with arrows or traditional touch. And YES the good old Tab and Shift-Tab is indeed supported - at the least in some apps and to some extent. I used it to jump through fields in setting up the details of my mail-accounts in my K9-mail. Despite it (for my hands) is clearly a two handed phablet, it feels quite comfy to hold, As a slab, the 'edge' mentioned and the extra thickness give a good grip, But I'm not going to operate it as a phone with one hand. The notification LEDs are very bright, I got no idea how the LED can be used

on 1) Well a lot of apps out there are done by lazy programmers/designers only thinking of Portrait, Some do landscape, but just widening things with a lot of 'white space', scaling or even stretching, not even changing the column-width of their texts, An example is the Danish national broadcast app "DR Radio", only supporting portrait (their DR TV does support landscape though) - see below. The app from the national railways as well as the largest Danish bank, has similar issues... with no alternatives. So you have to seek out apps that works well, or rethink the design of the app if it is s

Exactly my thoughts! The worst issue being if there are severe bugs that can affect reviews from influential sites and initial buyers damaging the reputation in ways influencing the sales. But overall the software/experience is very close to stock android, so that means a lot of potential bugs have already been handled by others. ;)

I believe I am. It is an awesome device, hardware-wise, but the software still need some ironing out, but it is surprisingly bugfree. But the keyboard driver/app definitely need some work. I plan to compose some sort of mini-review over the next few days, when I find the time for it. also comparing it with some older devices.

A back skin would be a nice alternative to a case. No matter the brand. Preferably one with a little more grib than the smooth metal back. Cleverly it is NOT a back rounding smoothly into the side though, it has an edge that improves the grip (got my hands on a pre-production unit) I tried to make a sketch: [attachment file=14910]

I do not know if this is the final design, but currently the 'protrusion' seems to be about 1/64 inch or 0.4mm

Remember this is still early, and software far from optimized. BUT in android they got a delay on the autorotate, and only after this the delay it rotates. (Try any device with a decent app supporting landscape)

I'm guessing here: If you already see the keyboard you want in the pictures, you might not bother to even open a thread on alternative layouts? The German QWERTZ thread had been up for quite a while, and this might have wheeled in people with interest in the German keyboard to be active in the forum, ant from here they got to the poll thread... But just guessing.

Ha ha, just teasing. Actually added the line a few minutes after the original post, so you might well have seen the original :)

Sorry for being inaccurate... ;-p

It is now available here https://www.twit.tv/shows/all-about-android/episodes/420?autostart=false One of the Co-founders, Adrian Li Mow Ching, is with all the way, but for the device jump 37 minutes 37:15 in

I don't think Sony make the driver for Google. But I assume they provide 'something' to let the manufacturer make their own driver. My point is that there MIGHT be some fancy stuff in Googles driver that is proprietary, and competitors have to create their own variants.

As an example the Open Camera App on my Samsung S8- in all the situations I tested produced end results as good as what the accompanying Samsung camera app did. (and the Open Camera app got additional flexibility). WaxBerry have confirmed earlier that Open Camera already works on the current preproduction units. But let us try to straighten things out here in general terms. (Hopefully some more knowledgeable in the field can correct&supplement) There are multiple things in play. Apart from all the hardware, there is a driver (software/firmware implementing the functions in the API).

(I do not KNOW that is what is meant, but I ASSUME so - it is not super clear)

I don't think they have it quite clear if the German QWERTZ will be offered simultaneously or follows after. The pre-order page (still?) says When will you support other keyboard layouts (QWERTZ, AZERTY, Scandi etc) The Pro1 will ship with QWERTY keyboard layout, when there is sufficient demand we will create additional keyboard layouts. But we DO know that a German QWERTZ will be made (see this thread). with ...we will try to deliver it same time with QWERTY. :)

Well until now only 25 people have answered the Poll, that was just launched about 24h ago. So hardly a representative proportion of the interested. See e.g. the disproportional large portion in the polls from the small Scandinavian countries.

Strictly we are talking different users segments for a physical keyboard. [ul]Those that prefer a fixed portrait keyboard (BB Key½) Those that prefer a portrait slider (Priv) Those that prefer a landscape slider (Pro¹) Those that prefer a fixed lansdscape keyboard (non-existing AFAIK) Those that prefer a clamshell lansdscape keyboard (Cosmo) Those that prefer a clamshell portrait keyboard (not seen for many years)[/ul] But of course in lack of the other models most could/would let do with one from the first or second neighbouring segment as still better than just a slab without a keyb

Please note, that a symbol not PRINTED on the keyboard does not mean that it is not possible to FUNCTIONALLY have it. So if only a minority would need ~ it could still be functionally on the N, even if not printed. I think that adding special symbol PRINTS that only a minority would benefit from, would just make the keyboard look messy for the majority that do not need these symbols (or would prefer other symbols).

I really don't like the three characters printed that way, but unfortunately I do not have a better idea, as different colours would also look ugly (and most likely would add to the cost). Now if only the Danes did not swap the two, one could have been 'creative' and printed the Ö with a thin slash and dots. And similar the Ä/Æ could have been printed as an A with a thin E and dots.... I bet both Swedes and Norwegians could live with that... Like this quick mock-up [attachment file=14623]

Done. For the curious, the old poll was here

As doktor.oswaldo said, I too think they are more than busy with the hardware, and likely certifications of various types. And the whole project is at such a late state that only software is likely to change substantially. So any feedback for the hardware is too late to affect a Pro¹ and a bit early for any successors... And on the software side it is my impression that they want to be as close to native Android as possible, so our wishes here are things that could be handled after release also, so not urgent for them to handle it now. Do not get me wrong, I too am impatient and can't wa

It would be better with some priority. As I got several I could use with little difference in preference - note we are talking PRINT only. (To get the keys returning what matches the users preferences should be the easy part) My priority for PRINT would be with estimated percentages [ul]25 Danish 23 Scandinavian, (multi-print or any of Swe/Nor) 20 US (non-shifted) 15 German-QWERTZ 12 US All four rows shifted 5 US A-Z shifted only[/ul]

Well Norway, Denmark and Sweden use ALMOST the same layout... (Norwegian as Swedish with different symbols Ä->Æ, Ö-> Ø, and Danish as Norwegian but with Æ/Ø swapped...). So for cheaper laptops we often see a common keyboard with three colours of letters on these three keys...