Pro1-X just arrived today, what a beautiful device.

[EskeRahn 3,593]

6 minutes ago, flx said:

If you legally bought the software license I don't see what could be illegal in making in works on a different hardware. I'd say it falls under the retroengineering/compatibility laws in Europe.

If someone has an EULA that does not match your local legislation, I suggest that you before accepting the EULA contact them and point this out so they can adjust it, or at the least give you something in writing where they accept it. Just doing our own personal opinionated adjustment to what the EULA states is not the best way to go, and could back fire if it does not hold legally.

[matf 240]

1 hour ago, EskeRahn said:

Suggesting anything that is illegal is clearly outside what is acceptable in here, I hid you comment, so you will have to make it again without that.

You're implying I suggested it. I did not, I think I even wrote the opposite, and I didn't detail how to do it either.

What I did say is there is no technical/hardware limitation to running Alien Dalvik and other paid Sailfish X software on a Pro1, as was also posted by others on Twitter, including a former Jolla employee. However I made it clear that there are commercial and legal limitations (i.e., the licence cannot be purchased and flashed to anything else than an official device, which in turns creates technical barriers), this is not a secret in any way. I encouraged buying a licence to support Jolla if going this route, because the main risk is Jolla being upset enough to make it significantly more difficult, however that seems unlikely if people trying to use their licence on unofficial devices do it after properly paying for their licence and don't expect support. On a second thought, that could be taken as incitation, apologies for that. I was just trying to be factual and thought that was not out of line since I warned that this would probably be a breach of EULA.

Could you just edit the original message to leave my answer about Anbox?

Edited January 14 by matf

[frikisama 2]

Legislation goes over EULA. That is non-debatable. And it is good to make people aware if an EULA or EULA clause is not valid somewhere, not bad.

BTW, Jolla has already been forced to submit to EU legislation before because of people changing phones not being able to transfer the license by default. I like their OS a lot, and will most probably use it on my Pro1-X when it arrives later this year (or so I hope!), but the company itself leaves a LOT to be desired regarding licensing, IMO.

To OP, pity about the shifted keyboard, but VERY nice that people are getting their Pro1! And the development around the device seems to have picked up the pace meanwhile, so you probably will be able to test some really cool stuff now/soon (containers, Anbox, mainline kernel, other readily packaged distros, ...). Exciting times ahead! 🙂

[matf 240]

I like the shifted keyboard! Especially on Sailfish since there is no toolbar on the right of the screen (in landscape), so having hands properly centred on the keyboard is great. I'll make an opinion on unshifted when I get my Pro1x, but I really hope they take the community feedback/suggestions into account when placing / and ? keys. :/

Edited January 14 by matf

[EskeRahn 3,593]

30 minutes ago, frikisama said:

Legislation goes over EULA. That is non-debatable.

No doubt about that, but not having a juridical degree I would certainly not be sure that my personal interpretation holds legally. "In good faith" will hold morally but it is less likely to be enough in a court case.

[david 790]

On 1/14/2021 at 9:49 AM, matf said:

I like the shifted keyboard! Especially on Sailfish since there is no toolbar on the right of the screen (in landscape), so having hands properly centred on the keyboard is great. I'll make an opinion on unshifted when I get my Pro1x, but I really hope they take the community feedback/suggestions into account when placing / and ? keys. :/

Here is the new QWERTY layout:

The most often used keys that changed, for regular typing, seem to be the : and ;.  They were to the left of the Del, but are now to the right of the L.  

/ is still on the P and ? is still on the L.

Edited 18 hours ago by david

[EskeRahn 3,593]

9 hours ago, david said:

Here is the new QWERTY layout:

I'm not sure these layouts are 100% final yet. They are still to publish their AZERTY, so I would guess other layouts could get minor adjustments.

[david 790]

15 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

I'm not sure these layouts are 100% final yet. They are still to publish their AZERTY, so I would guess other layouts could get minor adjustments.

Their plan was to be assembling the new phones in January, I believe.  I could be wrong on that.  But if that is correct, then a person would think the design is final now and that they would update their website if there were any changes.  But there are many "if" variables in all of that. 😏

[Slion 844]

Just now, david said:

Their plan was to be assembling the new phones in January, I believe.  I could be wrong on that.  But if that is correct, then a person would think the design is final now and that they would update their website if there were any changes.  But there are many "if" variables in all of that. 😏

Forget about that, it's chinese new year 😁