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thing i would not be able to do with the pro1 since the USB C is not aligned :( )
Sorry, I’m not sure what this means. How is the USB-C port not aligned, so that you can’t charge it with a cable in the car. I’m not challenging. This is probably showing off my ignorance and probably that I missed something somewhere. Just looking for clarification.
Thanks. :-)
Well IF we are talking a generic holder with variable width AND a fixed centred plug, then that would not work.But most generic holders requires you to insert the cable manually, and here it could or could not be a problem, depending on the the bottom support.
At first I too found it odd with the plug off centre, but once you tried to operate it in landscape plugged, you get the "AHA that is why!" on the placement, as the cable slips perfectly between two fingers. Another detail thought through.
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I had not thought this trough and you’re right it’s pretty realistic, even say we want to use an ultracapcitor because batteries wear out fast… First options I found looked good until I realized the ESR was on the order of 50 ohms or so which would make efficiency absolutely pathetic to the point it would work for seconds at best. But with some parametric search magic some have rather spectacular specs: https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-BC-Components/MAL219691263E3 Looking in the datasheet we can see it’ll store 52.5Ws of energy, or about 14.5mWh, which gives us about 7.4 minutes of time in a perfect world (because 32mAh for 1hr life with 3.7v nominal battery voltage = 118mW, 52.5Ws/0.118w = ~7.4). Counting in ESR and the fact we can’t discharge the cap below about 0.5v because the dc-dc converter needs something to work with, but it doesn’t seem totally crazy to get at least a minute out of it and change batteries in that timeframe.
The link does not go deep, but if I do a search for MAL219691263E3 on their page it works. BUT it is quite big 36mm x 14.5mm x 2.5mm - though not impossible to imagine in there,
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There’s some PDAs and laptops back when that did this by having a backup battery for the RAM, even calculators today that still do it. My HP50g does that and so does my Tandy 102, I think it’d be a huge challenge to do the same with a phone that has a modern SoC though. The closest thing I can think of is thinkpads with the drive bay battery thing where you have two sizeable batteries you can swap individually.
Well let\s try a little calculus. The standby current with screen off in aeroplane mode is somewhere along the lines of 0.2-0.4%/h, so let us be pessimists and say 1%/h of the capacity, so we would need 32mAh to last an hour, or 0.5mAh to last a minute, and 0.1mAh to last 12s. That does by far seem insurmountable to squeeze in as a battery or capacitor. I bet the control circuitry will take up more space....
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Now this is something I’d really like to see in a next iteration perhaps, as I am one of those that would buy an external charger and a few extra batteries to swap instead of charging.
Yeah. And in contrast to earlier phones with removable battery, it should have a small capacitor or battery, that can hold the power with screen off for say 10 seconds, while we swap the battery.
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but I don’t know how much battery the keyboard and the backlight consumes. I just hope 3200 mAh is enough.
Next to nothing, compared with the rest, would be my estimate. The backlit bluetooth keyboards I have used have lasted for weeks on a charge of a tiny 50mAh battery, and they need a BT radio to communicate.
I bet it is much more important how good the carriers radio signal is, at the position we place the phone while idle....
In my experience, this can eat a substantial amount of the phones stamina. Don't leave it in the pocket while working at a desk, put it on the desk, and preferably where the reception is best (This goes for ALL brands and OSs) I have written quite a bit about battery usage and optimising stamina over the years, see here.
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Why do you think this is "low capacity"? This is not a device with gaming users as its primary target group.
I doubt that the stamina will be a problem for the large majority of users. You can compare with the Samsung S8-, that has an slightly smaller batter and higher display resolution.
Let us await the final unit and the optimised software before we evaluate how long a charge will last..
I'm actually glad that they did not use a bigger battery....
A bigger battery would have meant a heavier and thicker device. I will much rather top up the charge during the day In the rare case it would not last the day.
But that said, sure I would have preferred a removable battery-back-pack, and the option of using different sizes depending on the individual needs/usage pattern of the day. And that could have broadened the target audience - but on the other hand would also have increased the weight and thickness in it self....
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Interesting, and definitely not expensive. I would have preferred tempered glass though.
Just ordered 5, and hope they fit… :)
ADD: Seems that the same can be found a bit cheaper here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32851277108.html
(silly me….)
Arghhh! Here three month later close to needing them, I can not find the remaining nine.... So just ordered five pairs more. *DOH*
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Nice, there are several other new hands on, here those from the last week: out: https://www.google.com/search?q=FX+Tec+Pro+1+-+Hands+on&tbs=qdr:w
...And here is one with a quite good still showing the split screen, and clearly with the new keyboard
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Assembly will be in Shenzhen, China, where 99% of the Smartphones are assembled, including iPhones as far as I know.
wow…it looks like I’ve got an impressive opportunity to get pro1 even before the Fxtec team do…
the next thing is to know which factory…
Lucky you! :)
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It might have to do with the mods still having to manually approve of everyone’s posts. Then, if no comment is made by a mod, the subject page isn’t updated, even though your post is actually there in the topic…
Yup. Let us hope hat the new forum software touted will soon be available.
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By the way, whether the pic being discussed here is real or not, this German video released yesterday, pretty much puts to bed that the split screen usage advertised is quite real! ;-)
https://video.golem.de/handy/23425/fx-tec-pro-1-hands-on.html
Nice, there are several other new hands on, here those from the last week: out: https://www.google.com/search?q=FX+Tec+Pro+1+-+Hands+on&tbs=qdr:w
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That is a bad implement, a sticky key should only stay on for one key, it’s not a caps lock. So if you press both, it should go back off immediately, that how mine have always work, and that way it doesn’t impact people who don’t use it.
By the test I have done on the early unit the two pairs of Sift and Ctrl, seems wired in parallel, but the two YellowArrows seems like somewhat indepedant, though deeply tied sending same keycode (by looking on what happens to make and break codes when more than one key is pressed at the time)
But actually android got independent keycodes prepared for right and left versions for those https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent
So it could be the sticky software that might or might not handle some pairing of different codes... as cancelling or not cancelling each other.
But from what I have seen, this will NOT be an issue for Ctrl and Shift on the Pro1, as they are handled as one.
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Hello :)
I am not a huge fan for Qi charging, my Samsung Galaxy S4 having melt because of it, but i can see the appeal, especially in a car or on your desk.
I was wondering, Still with the S4 in mind, if QI charging plate could be added in the phone by the user ? The S4 had a set of pin inside the back panel you could hook into and many 3rd party developed thin pad who fit in the phone.
In order for this to be possible, we need for the back of the phone to be glass or plastic, not metal, for the mother board to not be glued on the back, and for somewhere to wire it inside.
I never hold the phone (waiting for f(x)tec to ship is soooo hard :( ) So i was hopping people who had, or people how made the phone, could help me burn down this weird idea by telling me it’s not possible :D
The back is all metal, so won't do, see rest of the thread
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To me this phone biggest selling point isn’t the keyboard. it’s how it is thought, which is right against Samsung actual policy. Open boot-loader, bulky but practical, up to date, stock android, easy to dissemble and fix, made to last and not to be a fashion symbol …
Indeed, that are certainly some of the forces of the Pro1 I should have included on the 'pro' side, along the obvious keyboard. :)
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Price was originally $649, £649 or €649. Then F(x)tec said that price will increase for non-EU customers.
Newsletter:
“The price of the Pro1 is increasing for our non-EU customers due to various global factors outside of our control, but good news is that the special pre-order pricing is still available until 31st August.”
There was a bug in the system but now EU price is the same €649 but for US customers it is now $699.
Ah! Of course!! The mass-mail just sent to too many. Should not have been sent to EU customers.
(Like the mail they sent to pay for orders that accidentally also went to some of us that had paid (or even cancelled), see this)
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Slow down everyone! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1559923&postcount=2209
It is back at €649, good for those that have not ordered yet - but now I for one am really confused about the mail sent out about an upcoming increased price???
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I don’t think any Android launcher has holding down a key as an action because, I assume, that’s not really meaningful with a touch-screen keyboard. Nova uses an add-on called sesame shortcuts, which I haven’t tried. It’s more of a set of trainable search functions tied to shortcuts. You can assign pressing a couple of keys to an app, but I really like the idea of being hold a physical key to launch a program. Unfortunately, that means, unless the Pro 1 becomes popular, you’ll be stuck with the F(x) Tec launcher for that ability.
Or maybe they can find a way to decouple the launch thing so it can run under any launcher, Imagine if any key-combo not assigned could be coupled to whatever you want.
Could be quite handy to launch say a calendar while in something else, check something and jump back, without even visiting the home screen...
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I feel like if you can “live” with a note 10, you are not the audience for thia phone.
Everyone have a limit for what the increased productive of a real keyboard is worth in cool cash. And who are any of us to judge others limits??
If a person had considered it at another price, they are clearly in the target audience of the device.
In my book target audience is defined be the personal usage patterns weighing of the pros of a real keyboard [EDIT: Plus repairability, open bootloader et cetera] versus the cons of the increased size and lacking features.
To some a pen may be a huge benefit, to others not. e.g.
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Just to make sure I understand right. If we want to use keyboard shortcuts to launch apps, that will require using a launcher that FxTec is developing in house? Meaning it wont work if we change to nova/pixel/google now/trebuchet/etc other launcher? (unless also written into that launcher of course)
If so, any more info on this FxTec launcher? Will it be open source? Will apk be on on play store? Does it have a name?
Does anyone know which android launchers already support keyboard shortcuts to apps? I’ve never used this feature, but now that I’m aware of it, I think it sounds useful…
Different launchers handles keyboard input differently. I tried a few. Most seem to ignore it, some do a search.
The default launcher is clearly related to "Launcher<3", "Launcher3" and others, but these two has no keyboard shortcut support.
Blackberrys Launcher (of course) support keyboard shortcuts, But I doubt it supports landscape more than partly..
I'm sure others will know of some launchers that support keyboard shortcuts and landscape....
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Does that mean the 650 prices make them lost money on the sell ? I meam i wouldn’t have bought it for over 700, but i need that company to stay afloat if i want update and replacement part
Well hard to know their reasons exactly, but COULD be a combination of several things. My guesses would be
1) An investment with a lower initial price to get the whole project off the ground, as most crowd-funded projects do too.
2) The pre-orders accumulate to a larger batch, that gives them a better unit price than when ordering small batches to fulfil later orders, as I doubt they have the capital to invest in a huge stock.
3) Caution for any Brexit-effects.
And I bet there are more to the list...
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Profile – State – Keyboard out
Yup, that seems to be it. A similar question and discussion for the BB Priv can be found here https://forums.androidcentral.com/blackberry-priv/615883-tasker-experts.html
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Afaik certain launchers already offer that.
Who said I have to use the standard launcher. ;)
Oh yes indeed, the launcher is a separate app, it just comes pre-installed. Not cramped with fancy integration-stuff you can not get in other launchers.
Had the Stock Android launcher handled Landscape decently, I doubt Pro1 would have had a custom one.
I do not know what other launchers offers short-cut app launches by the keyboard though. Had it on previous hardware keyboard phones/phablets too, and never used it, except by accidental launches... Come to think of it, have not even tested it on the pre-production Pro1. So for my personal usage I could not care less if the feature is there or not. It is (currently?) just app launches, actions could be handy, e.g. open app list, notification or toggle say Location, Bluetooth etc on/off. A lot of possibilities, if exposed by Android..
For shortcuts to be handy in my book, they should go deeper, so I could do it by some key-combo everywhere, not just from the home screen. When I need to go to the home screen anyway, it is just as easy to add an icon there, that I do not need to remember to what key I linked.
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I do not know if there is an event in standard Android Pie on this, that gets triggered. But if not, I think we can take it for granted that Android Q will have an event for fold/unfold, and that could be an obvious candidate to trigger, if no dedicated event exists..
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Can someone explain what happened?
Moved your post in here, see previous in this thread on the end of the initial discount.
Love the PowerHorse configuration in full qwerty ... But Battery ???
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Yup. the clearance between two symmetric supports would need to be about 34mm, and not all holders have that. Though usually of simple plastic, I think it will likely be quite easy to widen on one side.