EskeRahn
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@eskerahn: What is the stuff that looks like sticky material or tape in the lower left and lower right, to the sides of the keyboard in your pictures?
As I wrote earlier, adhesive remains from a (failed) experiment I did.
And what is the gray oval shaped thing on the right side of the screen (bottom if you are holding it vertical)? I just noticed that for the first time. All the pictures on the f(x)tec website are fake images, but by looking at other, true photographs of the phone, I see that same oval, so it isn’t just something in the apps. I’m wonder about the screen protector covering up whatever it is.I’m also wondering about it being there when viewing pictures or watching videos. Hmm… I just looked at a video online and saw someone opening and closing the phone without the screen on and that oval isn’t there. I then got to thinking that maybe with Android Pie, that is the home screen virtual button? Is that what it is? If so, then I’m assuming a photo viewing app or video playing app can not display that? It certainly isn’t as bad as the “chin” debacle on other phones, but we also don’t need something getting in the way of our full screen viewing experience. :-)It is pure Android. Just the soft-key, so if the app used are not in full screen mode, you got one (or more) softkeys in the bar
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If you order from aliexpress today, you can consider it a race between the protector and phone to see which gets to you first!I just received mine, estimated 30 days when I ordered, took 3 weeks (to California).
The race is on! I just ordered 5 of them like @eskerahn. It said there are 2 per pack, but I don’t know if that is a front one and one for the back of the phone, or 2 screen side protectors. Since it was cheap, I still ordered 5 and that might be 10. $12.36 total.
Now to get serious about a belt holster pouch. I guess I’ll create a topic just for that.
I got 5x2 :)
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Sorry guys, I'm away for a few days, and asked the staff to handle stuff
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I forgot to post an image of the elastic one mounted, but can be found in this thread (not on final unit though)
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I see those screen protectors fit nicely :).
Yes, And could have been better if I had applied with more care, as you can see with the speaker and camera holes.
For other readers: Some cheap elastic ones from aliexpress discussed over here,
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I think it can be achieved as already described by others, but I'm pretty sure this is a render though, as I (with this angle) would have expected slight distortions at the curved top edge.
And I do not think you can make the splitter bar that thin either.
Here is an example (outside, a nice sunny day today), this is a preproduction unit, but doubt that it matters in this context.
Here with the Android font size set to "Large" and "Small" (Both with "Display size" set to "Small") - browsers at default.
And yes you guessed who that bald guy disturbing the image is...
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(The residues seen in the corners of the keyboard are from an experiment I did, where I forgot to clean up the adhesive, sorry)
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Honestly I like this redesign. It looks better than before and more modern. The font looks nice but it’s not too fancy. This change didn’t add any functionality to this forum but it also didn’t remove any functionality therefore I don’t see a problem in this redesign.
That’s just my point of view.
Obviously this forum needs some changes but I don’t think the design is something worth complaining about. A solution for this moderation mess is what’s needed right now.
I certainly agree that the moderation issues are far worse than the design issues.
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P.S. I though I´ve seen some help how to edit the comment, but.. Cannot find it out. Any help?
I could be related to the moderation that they are 'locked', but not sure. Before that I believe people were allowed to edit for a limited period.
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And I certainly agree that the fonts are not at all important in this forum, from my perspective it was a more general rant as these crazy designs appear all over the net. I think it is related to the plaque of "material design", that would have made sense on 16 colour CGA displays decades back, but are just outright stupid today, I simply can not find a single benefit. Well except that the informationless displays might allow screenshots to be compressed harder.... What is the point in NOT using that we got great colour depths? What is the point in making degenerated simplified icons beyond where you can see what it is but have to guess/remember (e.g. the sad Cyclop of MS) ? What is the point of diminutive to non-existing borders, and areas with almost identical colours? And why on earth kill the great vision helper of shadows?
We are NOT producing images for OCR, but for HUMANS, and over aeons our eyes are optimised for the 3D real world with light and shadows and not monochrome 2D, so why stop making things look real?? I hope that the mad men that allowed this material design nightmare would get replaced, and allow for some serious designers to make something useful for the benefit of literally everyone.
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Ah. Yeah, I just confirmed: it does look better @ 150%. But the “ideal line” still goes down with at least the y and the u. Isn’t there a way to just change the CSS to use a more standard font?
If you use Firefox you could use that one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/. I think it also exists for chrome based browsers. Then you could write custom css for the site. I did not a lot needed, other font and a dam background so it has some contrast.
Could be worth a try, but seems rather silly to have to tweak the client side for readability IHMO
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I don’t see the font issue either on my pc, a snippit is attached(1920×1080 screen resolution, 120% scale in firefox). But just like the colors that are driving me crazy, some stuff depends on your local theme and system font and stuff too. Maybe my issue is low quality laptop screen, I have to move my head at a very odd angle to see the difference between this white textbox and the light grey background, at any normal viewing angle it’s just all white.
Actually you DO have it, look e.g on that last “aeiovgx” in your image, and how the top of the v and the x is below the g (as is the i less the dot)
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Ah. Yeah, I just confirmed: it does look better @ 150%. But the “ideal line” still goes down with at least the y and the u. Isn’t there a way to just change the CSS to use a more standard font?
Also: getting a bit sick of the moderation queue here guys. Why isn’t there a “people with more than 10 thanks don’t need to wait” option in the software? That way you only moderate the newbies, which makes your lives much easier.
You can not even imagine how tired I am of this moderation mess!!! Have suggested several things, and if nothing happens very very soon I'll simply give up approving, and let the staff do it. I'm so tired of wasting my time doing none-constructive work here... It was supossed to be temporary until they found a solution, and have lasted 1½ month now!!!
To approve posts in a thread I need to click approve, wait, repeat for all pending in same thread, make a dummy-comment, wait, bin the dummy, wait, delete the dummy, wait, and go on to the next thread.... I can not even at a central place see what threads needs moderation, I have to browse through the whole thread list, manually, to see if something has happened since last I tried....
This could work for someone hired to do just this full time, but I'm just here as a volunteer....
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abielins
Yeah, as abielins pointed out (you were both was waiting for moderation, sorry) it is on low DPI only, so on mobiles (that generally got higher dpi) it looks ok.
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I like the new font. It’s easy to read and nice to look at – but only on my high DPI display. When I move it over to a regular one, it becomes blurry and difficult to read somewhat.
High DPI:
vs low DPI:
So are you saying that I should upgrade my 43" 4K display to one that is at the least 8K to use this forum? Sounds like a really well chosen font then... *LOL*
But on a more serious note you sure got a point! If I ask FireFox to scale to 150%, the font looks decent. Though of course absurdly huge.
(An of course this does not work as a workaround for the other design issues)
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There’s some issues with the used font as well. The way the u and i are now smaller really, REALLY bugs me. It’s almost as if your eyes go up and down while reading a sentence. Same goes for the v, x and y. Here, have a look at this: aeiovgx
These 'fancy' fonts are not my cup of tea either. Sure they can be used for local effects like in a birthday invite, but for general texts.... YIKES! But I'm old, and to me Function is key....
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I was referring to this email exchange: https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/scandinavian-qwerty-please/page/3/#post-32480
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The price for your already placed pre-order will not change, even if it’s unpaid. This will only affect new orders placed after 1 week. You can pay your existing pre-order anytime you are able to — there’s no time limit on that.”
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So how do we translate that reply?
1) Existing pre-orders will not have their price changed, even if it is unpaid.
2) The price change will only affect orders placed after 1 week from when that email was sent.
3) There is also no time limit on when you can pay for an existing pre-order.
So I guess the question is whether (2) means that “orders” placed before the 1 week price increase will be at the original price, or if “pre-orders” *and* “orders” placed before the 1 week price increase will be at the original price. I took it as the latter, but I can see how it could be taken as the former too. I was *assuming* that we are still in the pre-order state. Why? Because if you try to go through the process on the website “Shop”, it is called a “Pre-Order”, multiple times.
1) F(x)tec PRO¹ Pre-order
2) $693.65 This item will be released at a future date.
3) Be one of the first to pre-order your Pro1 today.
4) “Pre-Order Now” button
After added to cart:
5) Product listed as “F(x)tec PRO¹ Pre-order – QWERTY KEYBOARD, Black” and “Available: at a future date”
6) TOTAL $704.34 charged at a future date (includes $45.34 MN State Tax)
After “Proceed to checkout” button is clicked:
7) Number (5) duplicated.
8) Number (6) duplicated
9) “Place Pre-Order Now” button.
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Yeah, but it does not say that we can make new pre-orders. It only talks about "existing pre-orders" and "new orders".
But confusingly clicking Buy, they still call it "pre-orders", but as you only seem to be allowed to complete those with a pay (thus making it an order). I suspect it is simply a textual slip.
(I have already pointed out this to the staff, and I hope they will either allow for new pre-orders or change the texts)
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You know my story. Cancelled my preorder when they Said no Scandi. Now scandi will be available later on. Should I preproder again or wait since I can’t select scandi. Would be so much rasket if we had a scandi option.
I have also sent a mail indirectly about this. Let’s see what they reply today.
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I wonder if they actually told us this:
@eskerahn: Can you contact them to let them know about the problem? They’ve told us that we can pre-order and hold that pre-order open, at the pre-order price, without placing a full order. I’m only buying QWERTY phones, but I would like to place a pre-order for a second phone at the pre-order price so that I have the option of completing the order after I’ve had a chance to use the first phone I ordered.or it is just our own assumptions/deductions/hopes? I have tried to browse ttrough the comments and haven't found this.
What they HAVE told us is that we can hold already existing pre-order open, at the pre-order price, without placing a full order.
But if we can not make new pre-orders it means that those already paid can not go back and wait for a possible Scandinavian layout if they would like to, but would have to just cancel and buy for the new price IF a Scandinavian layout will become available.
I hope we can have an official comment on this.
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Something has changed with the colors. I’m sure it has to do with my own theme and laptop screen and all that, but I can *barely* see outlines around text boxes and such, I have to move my head up and down to try find and angle that can see the outlines in this sea of bright white. If it stays this way much longer I’m going to need a neck brace.
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It seems those making the forum have forgotten that the slogan is "Function is key", and NOT "Design is key"...
I'm so sick and tired by this pest all over the computer world (not just here), that things has to be over-designed and under-productive.
It is all over, from colours hard to separate, lacking borders/separation, to over simplified icons completely loosing their original relation to the physical object they are supposed to represent...
The rubber stamp top right is a typical example, though it is slightly better than the sad Cyclop smliey used by MS....
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@eskerahn: Can you contact them to let them know about the problem? They’ve told us that we can pre-order and hold that pre-order open, at the pre-order price, without placing a full order. I’m only buying QWERTY phones, but I would like to place a pre-order for a second phone at the pre-order price so that I have the option of completing the order after I’ve had a chance to use the first phone I ordered.
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Yup, already escalated it. :)
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You cannot pre-order w/o paying now, although you can still order at the pre-order price if you’re ready to buy another now.
I think if you want to change a paid order back to a pre-order, you should contact fxtec directly, I doubt they’ll put a mechanism in place for you do it yourself, and cancelling your paid order now could cause even more complciations…. you’ve still got time to sort this out before they ship…
Please try again. I just did, as described above - but could be my privileges that (by a bug) allows me to do so.
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But as far as I understood the reply I got, if you just dont pay your pre-order now and wait until the SCANDI is released and then pay, you SHOULD get the SCANDI version for the pre-order price of 650 EUR. I think that is pretty clear in the replies I got. Or have I misinterpreted it?
That is how I read it too. Though IF the amount of interested is very low, they just MIGHT need to place a surcharge - that is just my guessing - but you would still be able to get the US or German at the pre-order price, that seems pretty clear.
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So as no clear answer is public, my advise for those wanting a Scandinavian keyboard badly would be to cancel their order, make a new pre-order and wait.
I have tried to take a new pre-order yesterday because of the discussion yesterday as I am thinking of buying another phone just in case my first one has problems and even for testing other systems while using my first Pro1 for daily tasks.
Like testing Sailfish while using another Pro1 as my primary phone.
Also, I know I will not buy another one if its price will increase mainly because 650 Eur is also really high price in my country and for me, I have never ever bought any phone such a high price.
So back to pre-order, I could not do this yesterday as it instantly wanted to request my bank card details. Today there is a new forum software which has a similar behaviour.
As the initial price is also high for me, I wanted to wait to receive the phone and try it before deciding to buy another device as a spare or other purposes.
So it seems I will not have the chance of having another device for spare and testing purposes… :(
Hmm, I just did a new pre-order. And it worked fine here, I just did not fill in the credit card info at the bottom.
Here https://www.fxtec.com/product/fxtec-pro1-pre-order/ I just clicked QWERTZ and "PreOrder Now", Then "Proceed to checkout" (Suggested address was OK).
And after ticking "I have read and agree to ..." I just clicked "Place Pre-Order Now".
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A few question arises from their mails:
1) How do F(x)Tec plan to “…monitor demand for…” ?
2) Will it be possible to send a US or German Pro1 and have it ‘upgraded’ to Scandinavian, and at approximately what cost? (With or without the existing keyboard returned as a spare)
3) Will it be possible to put an already paid order back to a pre-order state, keeping the indiegogo coupon value?
I mean if a swap is not possible, or F(x)Tec will charge say €200 for a swap then people that want the Scandinavian layout badly better cancel their paid orders, make new pre-orders quickly at the same price and wait effectuating these to it is clear if a Scandinavian layout will ever come.
If it on the other hand is say $50, I for one would stick with my order and likely send it in for a swap if it ever becomes available.
ADD: Sent the above as an official support-mail requesting an answer that can be published.
I got a reply, but it explicitly request not to be published (apart from the same bottom disclaimer as the above)
So as no clear answer is public, my advise for those wanting a Scandinavian keyboard badly would be to cancel their order, make a new pre-order and wait.
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Great news everyone! I got permission to share the conversation I’ve had with the team from FxTec here with you guys. Since the conversation is both about the pre-order pricing and about the Scandinavian keyboard I will post this same message in both threads, so sorry for the spam.
This provides some very much needed information, and clears up a lot of things and misconceptions in regards to when and how we are supposed to pay and if a SCANDI keyboard is in works or not. Enjoy the read! :D
A few question arises from their mails:
1) How do F(x)Tec plan to "...monitor demand for..." ?
2) Will it be possible to send a US or German Pro1 and have it 'upgraded' to Scandinavian, and at approximately what cost? (With or without the existing keyboard returned as a spare)
3) Will it be possible to put an already paid order back to a pre-order state, keeping the indiegogo coupon value?
I mean if a swap is not possible, or F(x)Tec will charge say €200 for a swap then people that want the Scandinavian layout badly better cancel their paid orders, make new pre-orders quickly at the same price and wait effectuating these to it is clear if a Scandinavian layout will ever come.
If it on the other hand is say $50, I for one would stick with my order and likely send it in for a swap if it ever becomes available.
ADD: Sent the above as an official support-mail requesting an answer that can be published.
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I would leave it.
Oh not remove it, but use the practical strike through, like this example:
Here I wrote something wrongADD: This is incorrect, please see... and a link
This way a future ready do not need to get worried, (Edited my own above this way)
Is this a real picture, or is it possible?
in Pro1 - Thoughts & questions
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Well it was with 'thinned' colour as unimportant, in this