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The opposite is true. US Int. layout can remap Fn to Alt Gr if needed. Yet I think labeling it Fn makes a lot more sense as it aligns with most compact keyboards out there and avoids having a duplicated label. So I guess what we are arguing about is just how to label that key 🙂 Would you rather have two Alt Gr key or one Fn and one Alt Gr printed on your keyboard?

I thought it was just Ctrls and Shifts. Fn/Slant Arrows is just a software issue. TBH I'm not exactly sure 🙂

There is no Fn anymore if there is two AltGr. Just the Fx aka Win aka System aka Magnifying glass.

Yes and that is correct 😁

You got me wrong. AltGr should be just one key on the right side where it belongs.

Would just swap left AltGr with Fn 😁

Thanks for the reminder. Too bad but not such a big deal TBH. So right Ctrl is likely to stay next to the space bar unless FxTec decides to fix the wiring. That's not a deal breaker 🙂

Still that's the customer's fault for providing the wrong shipping address.

@Erik @Waxberry I've updated the first post on that thread with my proposed AZERTY layout.

Unless you are a ThinkPad fan in which case on the left it is Fn then Ctrl instead of Ctrl then Fn. Let's not get into that though 🤣

On that one you are drifting away from usual modifiers placement. Here are what I would call the rules: Both Alts should be next to the space bar. Both Ctrls should be first and last on the row. I would also really leave direction arrows to the right most position.

I know what you are saying but to me it's a waste of a perfectly good modifier. Alt Gr on the right side can also be accessed with the left thumb for those few keys which are too far to the rights. Moreover we are trying to align the Pro1 keyboard with regular compact keyboards and pretty much all of them have an Fn key to access media and device specific functionalities.

I would leave pipe next to the space bar so as to enable two double modifier shortcuts using you left thumb, Ctrl+Shift and Ctrl+Fn and maybe even Shift+Ctrl+Fn for the most skilled users 😁

Well I'm French currently living in Germany. Most my keyboards are AZERTY except my Pro1. Most every compact keyboards out there have one including most laptops. Except that it's behaviour is usually hardcoded by the manufacturer. Thankfully on Android it does not have to be and can be fully customised through layouts. We already have Alts on both sides. We don't need a side with two Alts. They could use Fn all the same either by actually using it or remapping it to Alt if they so wish.

I fixed it in that post above.

Thanks I missed that. I'll fix it. Fn can still be used for Internationale characters too, we don't want another duplicated modifier.

Here is my Pro1X QWERTY proposal, which hopefully is also yours @Craig: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/c8cd79243e2f4470b949991786952262 All yellow characters are accessible using shift. Fn aka Function formerly Slant Arrow is mostly there to enable media and other advanced or device specific functionalities. Fx Meta is basically our system key. It would be the Start key on Windows, on Android keyboard it is usually shown as a magnifying glass. Hope I did not miss anything. Feedback is most welcome.

Please no, keep the left Fn key aka Slant Arrow. Have the right one be right alt.

Yes please. It would also be nice if left and right, ctrl and shift could be distinct. Doing this removes the need for a Fn key aka slant arrow key to access basic functions. However we still want Fn to access special features F1-12 or screen brightness or other fancy stuff. Just the right Fn key aka Slant Arrow. Keep the left Fn key please.

Should you not have updated the address you gave FxTec?

@Elysia @Erik typo:

They ought to make a spare parts perk with a keyboard for Pro1 owners. @Waxberry @Erik @Elysia

Probably the screen assembly then.

The enthusiast package with spare keyboard and battery is tempting too. I wonder if it is a spare screen assembly or just the screen?

I don't think that would beat my custom ones 🙂