Rob. S.

Here's some additional food for thought on the subject (which I got from a German source that was cited in another forum I'm active in, while I cite the 1977 translation by Alan Sheridan here) – perhaps worth reflecting on especially in our day and age, even if we agree with most of the concrete measures that have been taken against a quicker-than-necessary spreading of the virus... The plague-stricken town, traversed throughout with hierarchy, surveillance, observation, writing; the town immobilized by the functioning of an extensive power that bears in a distinct way over all individual

Agreed – although it seems we differ in that by a large margin... The same to you!

I grant you that "making a mistake" is a third option beside "stupid" and "malicious"... But it never did in the first place. In judging the case at hand, we have a large bandwidth of possible assessments, with two extremes – one extreme that fears the end of the world, spreads panic and has bought truckloads of toilet paper, and another extreme that doesn't see anything worth noting except that everyone else are fearmongers and panic spreaders. As usual, both extremes are wrong, and, as usual, science and the professionals of the involved fields are the places where the most sensible

If we want to keep up the assumption that you're not stupid, you're giving us more and more reason to suspect that you're purposefully and heavily distorting the truth to advocate your ideology, spreading lies to influence people to behave in a way that follows your personal ideology, thereby endangering others. My numbers are not "order of magnitude low". They're from the exact same source you're citing. We can only compare confirmed deaths with confirmed deaths, which is what I did. You, on the other hand, are trying to compare total estimated deaths of the swine flu, estimated after it

I, for one, don't think you're stupid, you're obviously intelligent enough as your factual knowledge of and insight in the subject matter clearly suggests, but you've decided to stop thinking halfway through, and to ignore each and every factual aspect of the current pandemic that would get in between your mostly ideological conviction and the facts, especially those facts which affect the wellbeing of other human beings who don't share your ideology; an ideology you're obviously intent on advocating publicly, trying to influence people to act less reponsibly and thereby to endanger other peop

Unfortunately, I still don't even have the phone... My plan is to try the 711042 Brodit holder I already have, as the period for returns is long since over, and if it doesn't work out, I'll order the 511309 Brodit holder, too.

Wow, that sounds like the end of this might in fact come rather sooner than later? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but I'm not yet all too much into all this custom ROM and bootloader unlocking thing, but reading that, it seems to only refer to the unlocked bootloader – couldn't we just run LineageOS with a locked bootloader and thereby continue to get SafetyNet attestation?

When I was at the supermarket the other day, the liquor shelves were still well-stocked! 😉

Indeed. And this isn't a matter of a decision between leading an unhappy life in senseless panic and fear on one hand vs. a happy, fulfilled but risky life on the other, either, as if those two were the only options we had. If someone can only lead a happy and fulfilled life in acting risky and endangering others, if taking just a few easy precautions and minding just a few restrictions for a while to help keeping others alive and well will make someone's life unhappy and unfulfilled, I feel sorry for them. By the way, things are accelerating around me – I've been suspended from work this

Indeed... German public service television finally made that clear in the 'heute-journal' yesterday, one of the more respectable and popular ('popular' in the limits of traditional television still being a thing at all today) background-information centered late-evening news magazines. At this point, they said, it's a pandemic, the spreading of which cannot be stopped anymore; they expect roughly two thirds of the population to be exposed to the virus and to become infected. 80% of the infected will only get mild or very mild symptoms, 20% will need medical care, and 6% (which belong to the 20

I'm hearing from someone with contacts to italian medical personnel, that some hospitals already have to use triage, that they already need to make the choice which severely affected covid-19 patients will get treatment and which don't (= will be left to possibly die, although saving their lives might very well be possible). And this still is only the beginning.

Right, so do I – but I have no need to use R for the time being. My plan is to use LineageOS 17 with SafetyNet cared for by Magisk (if I ever find out how this is done) as long as it is supported, and after that, if we're really out of luck with regard to SafetyNet + LineageOS then, I'll have another look at the state F(x)Tec's stock Android will be in. And maybe we're lucky and it will be good! Anyway, for me, that's the point in time to start worrying, not earlier.

Good point. Yes, this is crucial! 😁 Funny that some of us can't do that because the production of that device has been interrupted by the virus itself...

I'm not sure, because one of the aspects (which I forgot to mention above) that make Covid-19 more dangerous than a usual strain of influenza is that people who recovered can get it again.

Yes, there's the problem – everything I've read about the new coronavirus says that it can cause more severe symptoms (like pneumonia) than influenza, that it spreads faster than influenza, and that it's more lethal than influenza. And of "the same common precautions" an important one is missing, vaccination. And then there's the fact that much of the new virus isn't even known yet – like whether it mutates, how fast, and what will change in mutating. It's not the most renowned source that I managed to dig up quickly (most of what I've read so far are German-language sources, I have no E

Thanks, I'm a bit relieved 😉 No, I don't think so... Yes, there are places on earth which are too crowded for people being able to live a decent life. But this planet could sustain many more people. It's just that we need to work out a way to ensure that it does...

Wow, I hope I'm misunderstanding you here, because that would be several orders of magnitude more inhuman even than Silversolver's stance — with or without this continuation: Even if reducing the population would be something that should be desired, would killing human beings really be an acceptable way to do it? Why not drop some atom bombs? (Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question.) But why should we reduce the population of this planet anyway, while this planet can easily nourish a far larger population? (This was attested only a few years ago by the UN Special Representative

To return the compliment, one of the reasons for that is that outside of this subject I've always perceived you as a rather likeable person here in the forum.

I don't think so. In China, only a very small percentage of the population had it, and the recovery rate is already higher than what is left of the infection rate. It may well be that China will very soon see the end of the epidemic.

No. You're completely misguided about what the virus is and what it isn't, why people will need to go to the hospital, which makes you a potentially lethal danger to everyone and their surroundings who might take your irresponsible half-truths as advice. It seems you're a hopeless case, and I won't discuss this further. You seem to believe you're cleverer than the whole world's best and most competent medical personnel. I repeat, you need to educate yourself by reading what those professionals have to say about it, and stop your dangerous trivialisation of a major world health crisis that only

I'll tell that to the few beloved relatives I still have from my parents' generation when they die of Covid-19, without which they would have had a really good chance to live ten, maybe twenty more years of a happy life. Thank you very much.

And that not only means that many people being sick with Covid-19 can't be treated anymore, it means that anyone getting sick won't get treatment anymore. It means that people will die a miserable death by appendicitis again. No matter how well they're insured.

Bummer. Does "in the near future" mean, though, that it still might with LineageOS 16 and 17?

Thanks, that clears it up! So what we'd now need would be someone who can say more on the subject 🙂 – anyone? I'd really like to use LineageOS when I get my phone, but unfortunately SafetyNet is a must, as I rely on at least two apps which need it – one is a health related app, the other is my bank's app without which I cannot even log in to their banking website on my PC anymore. (Yes, and this is not even one of the flashy new Fintech startups, it's a bank with some history...)

The good news is that, while under conducive conditions the virus is said to be able to sustain six days on smooth material, no infection from shipped goods has been observed until now, and it is thought to be extremely improbable (source: RKI, Germany)...