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But do those who are still waiting even get "stock assigned" notices? Somehwere in the depths of this forum I think someone said we might not, after they switched to direct shipping instead of going through different warehouses...

Ok, I admit your reasoning is sensible. Neither can I see what concrete improvements might have been intended (or even accomplished) by the specific deviations from the standard key layout. I guess it could have made sense to somehow try to optimize the keyboard layout for thumb usage, but I can't really see that at the bottom of the resulting layout, either...

IIRC, I used the old Apex Launcher after my first HTC Desire Z, on which I originally had used the HTC launcher that came with it and which I liked very much. The old Apex Launcher was the most similar launcher I could find. When they created the new Apex Launcher and forced it upon their users, though, I went searching again and replaced it with the Nova launcher – even though it was essentially the same as the new Apex Launcher back then, only perhaps a bit more refined. Seems I have to have a look at that "Apex Launcher Classic" again now!

Phone keyboard layouts always have been different from a PC keyboard layout... Their usage always has to be learned... And, as @Zamasu correctly mentioned, even an identical layout would imply a completely different usage if only for the use of your thumbs... I especially fail to see, by the way, how a tiny BlackBerry keyboard layout could be better than a full five-row layout like the Pro1's – except if all someone would ever want to type were letters. No numbers, no symbols... Besides, I used to have a PRIV and I really liked the mechanical construction of the keyboard, while my most si

That's why I said "endlessly complaining", not "complaining".

Yes, and I'm one of them. We know that already, F(x)tec knows it already. It's nothing to be happy about, but something that can happen with pre-orders, which is why they're called pre-orders in the first place. Especially when a new company sets up production for their first product. They're not delaying it on purpose, just to annoy you and the other loudmouths. Nothing is won, especially not for YOU, by endlessly complaining about it.

No and no. It is, for one, in other words just what F(x)tec wrote here in this forum, and, secondly, it should be obvious for anyone who at least has a bare minimum of basic logic and economic common sense. And it is really too funny that those who are most obnoxiously complaining about F(x)tec's bad communication don't even read what they write (and actually even expect others to read it out to them). And this is the end of this discussion for me at this point. —————————————————— I never wanted to follow this thread in the first place, especially not since it turne

I wonder why they didn't close it the minute it was opened. It is their forum, they don't have to take abuse and slander. It's a strong point for them and their honesty that they don't immediately delete (not just close) such threads.

Then you need to have your "eyes" checked. Because neither of the parties would have wanted a deal the fulfillment date of which would have to be as open as pre-order dates necessarily have to be. Your "eyes" again. And you should at least read @Erik's posts if you publicly comment on the related subjects. And I already said it – the few devices were what was necessary to get a foot in the door of those retailers. Otherwise the door would have stayed closed for the time being. I'll cry some tears if I find the time.

I guess it's anyone's right to not refer to themselves as a girl (and possibly to be offended by others referring to them as a girl), just as it is anyone's right to refer to themselves as a girl (and not to be offended by being called a girl). And I guess we'll find individuals of both categories all over the english-speaking parts of the world... Doesn't need to be a big thing, I guess, unless one wants to make one of it 😉 ...

Wow. By someone who doesn't really know what the keyboard even is for.

Yes, there is a difference. But it is the reaction upon such differences that makes the real difference. WRT the "principles" see below. From all that's been said it seems quite clear that as long as the hardware is not already on its way, the money can still be refunded and will be. And now about your German "principle". For one, everyone buying a Pro1 is buying themselves an expensive toy. If people were starving because the food they ordered didn't come, things were different, but here my sympathy is limited – and it is limited because of my very own principles.

Yes. I believe you. And I actually do like the Z3 Play, too, and I was using the Hasselblad mod, too, which was nice, and the JBL speaker mod, which was great in summer out on the terrace. But for me, the keyboard is more important, and I'm slowly selling off everything right now, just keeping the phone until I get the Pro1.

Thanks, no need to say more. (It makes me not only embarrassed to be of the same species, but also of the same nationality.)

@Val "Difference"? Of course there is, so what? "Pre-order"? Yes, and pre-order means you might get the product any time or not at all if the company goes out of luck and business. "Principle"? Right, have fun with your principle. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying myself without the phone I'm still waiting for, knowing that your principle won't get you anywhere and anything but a bad temper (that, by the way, primarily hurts one person, which is yourself). "Moto Mod"? Yes, I know. I bought a Moto Z in anticipation of it which was the worst phone I ever had. Earlier this year I needed to replac

Not anyone. Just a vanishingly small number of people which don't even matter for the whole picture. While it was important for F(x)tec to get their foot in the door of those shops, if they want to stay in business.

@Val I know. And things went badly. But not hopelessly bad, and most importantly, not fraudulently bad. Yes, I paid for the Moto Mod in March 2017, too. And I got an offer of a full refund, which I requested and immediately got paid in October 2018. While it already was clear that the Keyboard Mod's problems had not been their fault, this was another piece of evidence for me that these people are honest. And yes, their Pro1 shipping order may have become different from what they planned and promised. But now that the delivery finally seems to be within reach, people get their knickers in a twi

I just don't get it. There are people who get pissed off because two or three tiny resellers got twenty phones before they got theirs? If I hear something like that, it makes me embarassed for belonging to the same species.

Ok, I know that, under some circumstances, to be made waiting can constitute an act that borders on torture 😉 – and thereby may possibly do strange things to someone's brains, too... But I wouldn't ever have thought it could go as far as that the banal fact that two or three tiny resellers have each gotten a minuscule dozen or two of devices, too, between all those phones already shipped, the ones on its way right now and those which yet have to be shipped and manufactured, could make someone actually and in all seriousness construe a betrayal-conspiracy theory directed against thousands

For a short time I was actually tempted to order with DragonBox (thanks to @EvilDragon for chiming in here, by the way), but my F(x)tec order in September was substantially cheaper and I'm not that desperate that I couldn't wait another few weeks 😉 I do not see any malevolence on F(x)tec's side, either. Except that things take (much) longer than they were supposed to, nothing so far suggests anything but honest business.

In the meantime, is there an estimate possible how long delivery might take after someone has gotten their 'stock assigned' notice (not that I would have), depending on region, which in my case would be continental Europe?

For me, Christmas has no meaning, so the question is easily answered, but even if it did, I wouldn't cancel...

Of course, I never claimed anything else. Who would have received a production device at this point in time anyway, and would have had the time to write up a serious review to boot?

https://www.golem.de/news/fx-tec-pro-1-im-hands-on-starkes-tastatur-smartphone-fuer-650-euro-1909-143673.html (German) Google web page translation doesn't work well because of their ads and their specific (laudable) approach in offering visitors several ways to get rid of ads, so I took the liberty to add the deepl.com translation (unedited) below.

It didn't happen to me often, but now that you mention it I remember that it failed once or twice when I needed it really badly – like driving by Google Maps on a hot day searching a location in Berlin for which I was already late (where I don't know my way around, I am not a Berliner) :-D