Rob. S.

I don't mind whether the phone has a screen like the Pro1 or a flat screen with a bezel. When I had the PRIV, I thought the rounded edges were stupid, but then again they rarely got in my way, and there was the nice feature of a battery indicator on one of the edges that could be seen even if something was lying on top of the phone. I guess it's just a software thing to make it more usable, and something F(x)tec might want to improve by exempting the edges from reacting on touch...

Ordered the 711042. I'll report how it goes when I've got both the phone and the holder!

Excellent, thanks! That would be one of these, then, best fit is probably #511307 or #711042 ... 🙂

For car usage, I don't expect to leave the phone in a protective case. None of my earlier car holders would have worked that way... What I'm worried about with an option that just holds the closed phone in portrait mode, though (like the Brodit holder for the P20 Pro), is that it might prevent the phone from closing properly, or is that unfounded?

I guess this would be a case for a 3D printer. Unfortunately I'm not really into that...

As a protective case, I've already decided to try a Huawei P20 Pro flipcase, when my phone finally will arrive, similar to the latest case @EskeRahn has found in his extensive research on that topic. Now one big question for me remains – how will I fix it in my car? If possible, I want to continue using the Brodit holder system which attaches the phone very securly, but still rotatable, to the dashboard so that it stays out of my view through the windscreen. The system consists of two parts – one part dedicated to the specific car, and one part dedicated to the specific phone. The se

@silversolver Yes, I guess i see what you mean, and personally I am a fan of functional design that doesn't get in the way of what I want to accomplish, too. On the other hand, I'm not a general fan of productivity pe se. It's bad enough that the consciousless drive to increase productivity (as one of the major methods to increase profits) haunts virtually every workplace. After work, I'd rather like to see things like fun as the maxim 😉 Economically, by the way, every increase in productivity reduces the value of the produced goods. Which is the major reason why, in an economic s

Among developers, "app" used to be a short form for any kind of "application software program" long before smartphones even existed. There's nothing stupid in it per se, but there's indeed some stupidness in reserving the short form to exclusively denote mobile software...

Their estimates on batches and production in general seem to not have included issues in manufacturing or with suppliers or with supplied parts, whereas reality often includes such issues, nixing estimates no matter how diligently they were made. The good news is, manufacturing does happen, and as long as it does, sooner or later we'll get those phones – even if it is always 'later' in our case...

To put it more politely than Eske 😉 – "representative" is not about the size of the sample, it is about the selection of the sample. A random subset is never representative and therefore does not allow to extrapolate observations onto the whole...

Because a small, random number of cases is never representative for a much larger total. One of the fundamentals of statistics (which, if more widely known and applied, could theoretically prevent a massive amount of prejudice in this world, by the way)... In our case we simply don't know how many of the pre-orderers who never came here in the first place got their phones and how many didn't. It could easily be that within that group the proportion of those who got their devices is significantly larger. But maybe it isn't. We simply cannot know.

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That reminds me of the fact that there's another smartphone on its way to the household I live in (which is now set to arrive on December 27th, even though the manufacturer said January), a Fairphone 3, the modular design of which probably sets a benchmark for a repairable phone. If I had no need for a keyboard, it might have been my next phone, too.

@cube48, from what you write I gather F(x)tec didn't sent you neither a "stock assigned" note nor a tracking number? Did you take the number you found on the note in your letterbox and check the UPS website to make sure it's the phone?

But do those who are still waiting even get "stock assigned" notices? Somehwere in the depths of this forum I think someone said we might not, after they switched to direct shipping instead of going through different warehouses...

Ok, I admit your reasoning is sensible. Neither can I see what concrete improvements might have been intended (or even accomplished) by the specific deviations from the standard key layout. I guess it could have made sense to somehow try to optimize the keyboard layout for thumb usage, but I can't really see that at the bottom of the resulting layout, either...

IIRC, I used the old Apex Launcher after my first HTC Desire Z, on which I originally had used the HTC launcher that came with it and which I liked very much. The old Apex Launcher was the most similar launcher I could find. When they created the new Apex Launcher and forced it upon their users, though, I went searching again and replaced it with the Nova launcher – even though it was essentially the same as the new Apex Launcher back then, only perhaps a bit more refined. Seems I have to have a look at that "Apex Launcher Classic" again now!

Phone keyboard layouts always have been different from a PC keyboard layout... Their usage always has to be learned... And, as @Zamasu correctly mentioned, even an identical layout would imply a completely different usage if only for the use of your thumbs... I especially fail to see, by the way, how a tiny BlackBerry keyboard layout could be better than a full five-row layout like the Pro1's – except if all someone would ever want to type were letters. No numbers, no symbols... Besides, I used to have a PRIV and I really liked the mechanical construction of the keyboard, while my most si

That's why I said "endlessly complaining", not "complaining".

Yes, and I'm one of them. We know that already, F(x)tec knows it already. It's nothing to be happy about, but something that can happen with pre-orders, which is why they're called pre-orders in the first place. Especially when a new company sets up production for their first product. They're not delaying it on purpose, just to annoy you and the other loudmouths. Nothing is won, especially not for YOU, by endlessly complaining about it.

No and no. It is, for one, in other words just what F(x)tec wrote here in this forum, and, secondly, it should be obvious for anyone who at least has a bare minimum of basic logic and economic common sense. And it is really too funny that those who are most obnoxiously complaining about F(x)tec's bad communication don't even read what they write (and actually even expect others to read it out to them). And this is the end of this discussion for me at this point. —————————————————— I never wanted to follow this thread in the first place, especially not since it turne

I wonder why they didn't close it the minute it was opened. It is their forum, they don't have to take abuse and slander. It's a strong point for them and their honesty that they don't immediately delete (not just close) such threads.

Then you need to have your "eyes" checked. Because neither of the parties would have wanted a deal the fulfillment date of which would have to be as open as pre-order dates necessarily have to be. Your "eyes" again. And you should at least read @Erik's posts if you publicly comment on the related subjects. And I already said it – the few devices were what was necessary to get a foot in the door of those retailers. Otherwise the door would have stayed closed for the time being. I'll cry some tears if I find the time.

I guess it's anyone's right to not refer to themselves as a girl (and possibly to be offended by others referring to them as a girl), just as it is anyone's right to refer to themselves as a girl (and not to be offended by being called a girl). And I guess we'll find individuals of both categories all over the english-speaking parts of the world... Doesn't need to be a big thing, I guess, unless one wants to make one of it 😉 ...

Wow. By someone who doesn't really know what the keyboard even is for.