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I don't think Sony make the driver for Google. But I assume they provide 'something' to let the manufacturer make their own driver. My point is that there MIGHT be some fancy stuff in Googles driver that is proprietary, and competitors have to create their own variants.

As an example the Open Camera App on my Samsung S8- in all the situations I tested produced end results as good as what the accompanying Samsung camera app did. (and the Open Camera app got additional flexibility). WaxBerry have confirmed earlier that Open Camera already works on the current preproduction units. But let us try to straighten things out here in general terms. (Hopefully some more knowledgeable in the field can correct&supplement) There are multiple things in play. Apart from all the hardware, there is a driver (software/firmware implementing the functions in the API).

(I do not KNOW that is what is meant, but I ASSUME so - it is not super clear)

I don't think they have it quite clear if the German QWERTZ will be offered simultaneously or follows after. The pre-order page (still?) says When will you support other keyboard layouts (QWERTZ, AZERTY, Scandi etc) The Pro1 will ship with QWERTY keyboard layout, when there is sufficient demand we will create additional keyboard layouts. But we DO know that a German QWERTZ will be made (see this thread). with ...we will try to deliver it same time with QWERTY. :)

Well until now only 25 people have answered the Poll, that was just launched about 24h ago. So hardly a representative proportion of the interested. See e.g. the disproportional large portion in the polls from the small Scandinavian countries.

Strictly we are talking different users segments for a physical keyboard. [ul]Those that prefer a fixed portrait keyboard (BB Key½) Those that prefer a portrait slider (Priv) Those that prefer a landscape slider (Pro¹) Those that prefer a fixed lansdscape keyboard (non-existing AFAIK) Those that prefer a clamshell lansdscape keyboard (Cosmo) Those that prefer a clamshell portrait keyboard (not seen for many years)[/ul] But of course in lack of the other models most could/would let do with one from the first or second neighbouring segment as still better than just a slab without a keyb

Please note, that a symbol not PRINTED on the keyboard does not mean that it is not possible to FUNCTIONALLY have it. So if only a minority would need ~ it could still be functionally on the N, even if not printed. I think that adding special symbol PRINTS that only a minority would benefit from, would just make the keyboard look messy for the majority that do not need these symbols (or would prefer other symbols).

I really don't like the three characters printed that way, but unfortunately I do not have a better idea, as different colours would also look ugly (and most likely would add to the cost). Now if only the Danes did not swap the two, one could have been 'creative' and printed the Ö with a thin slash and dots. And similar the Ä/Æ could have been printed as an A with a thin E and dots.... I bet both Swedes and Norwegians could live with that... Like this quick mock-up [attachment file=14623]

Done. For the curious, the old poll was here

As doktor.oswaldo said, I too think they are more than busy with the hardware, and likely certifications of various types. And the whole project is at such a late state that only software is likely to change substantially. So any feedback for the hardware is too late to affect a Pro¹ and a bit early for any successors... And on the software side it is my impression that they want to be as close to native Android as possible, so our wishes here are things that could be handled after release also, so not urgent for them to handle it now. Do not get me wrong, I too am impatient and can't wa

It would be better with some priority. As I got several I could use with little difference in preference - note we are talking PRINT only. (To get the keys returning what matches the users preferences should be the easy part) My priority for PRINT would be with estimated percentages [ul]25 Danish 23 Scandinavian, (multi-print or any of Swe/Nor) 20 US (non-shifted) 15 German-QWERTZ 12 US All four rows shifted 5 US A-Z shifted only[/ul]

Well Norway, Denmark and Sweden use ALMOST the same layout... (Norwegian as Swedish with different symbols Ä->Æ, Ö-> Ø, and Danish as Norwegian but with Æ/Ø swapped...). So for cheaper laptops we often see a common keyboard with three colours of letters on these three keys...

I have the same thoughts. To what degree are android basically possible to navigate in with keys only? Sure there are apps like the "Keyboard browser" that are specifically designed for a keyboard, But how are android UI in general, under the hood? Are there say tab-stops on all controls like MS Windows? I know it is possible to navigate Android with a USB mouse (see e.g. ), so it DOES have the concept of a cursor build in, so at the lowest bar, some way to turn on the cursor and arrow/navigation could be possible. Though that might well be too slow and inconvenient in real usage, so I gues

New "Remove thanks" button, to handle accidental clicks. Nice :)

It is much a matter of how the national layout is made. You almost never need it with a US layout. But In Danish you need the AltGr all the time to get to vital symbols such as @ £ $ { [ ] } | € \ and the accent key ~ And it is similar for other languages. (But personally I could not care less if it is marked by a yellow arrow, "Fn", "AltGr" or whatever) Actually the tedious frequent use is one of the reasons why I normally use the US layout (except when typing Danish text where we need ÆØÅ). (Back in the eighties I made a completely customizable DOS keyboard driver, used to the effe

Sorry meant "AltGr" not "Alt". As I said, I hope for flexibility so those of us that wants a lot of modifier options can get it, and those that want more regular keys can get that too. I doubt they are hard wired to any function, so just a matter of the software allowing the flexibility. I hope that the geeks among us can make several different 'packages' of layout-combinations, for sharing, and then each user can chose what fit them the best, and hopefully the program for it will be so easy to use so it does not require much skills to modify at will. Hopefully not even rooting.

Uh please don't !! I accidentally 'thanked' your post, but STRONGLY disagrees with the removal of the arrows. They could name them in stead like "Fn" or "AltGr" "Alt", but I would like it to have all these 'modifier' keys, to allow us to have easy access to a variety of layouts. But If I have my way it will be possible to remap even modifier keys for direct usage, for those that like you would prefer this. I hope for maximal flexibility in how we can use the keys to fit each users wishes as much as possible.

Awesome! :)

Have you tested "Open Camera"? A very flexible option relying on the Camera2 API (I'm using it on the S8-, and is quite satisfied with what it does)

Well sure I TOO would prefer a phone over a phablet any time EXACTLY due to it being one hand operable (that is the difference between a phone and a phablet in my book). My point is that since all manufacturers seems to make (almost) only phablets, it is currently quite silly that it is not landscape that is the primary format for Android&Ios, and portrait the 'odd one' for the few remaining phone sized devices. The ONLY chance I see for the return of phone sized devices is three part Z folded devices, and they are years away from being market ready, (the current foldable ones I see

I got a case on the S8- too (to get the click-on keyboard) and that actually eases the use a bit reaching over, as the finger gets 'guided' by the hole to the right position. I fumble with it when the case is removed. As preferring my right hand, I practically always hold my phones in the left hand, and that makes it quite awkward to reach with the left index finger, if I hold it in the right hand, the hole in the case does not have the suitable angle for the finger, so again reaching over the top is less bad. But IF I held it in the right hand and IF I did not use a case, then it would have

Will be interesting to use it real usage.I got it on the back of the Samsung S8- and it is quite awkward to use. The least bad is to reach over from the top with the right hand index finger. I actually think that it might be too easy to use on the side, so you will have the risk of accidentally authorising things you really would have cancelled.

You lost me there. Why should the two halves have different widths?

I would prefer a plain back too. But would prefer small rounded feet over wobbling around any 'camera protection'.

I would MUCH prefer the back to come with the four corners with 'millings' with rounded rubber feet inserted that thus lifted the back and camera. (For the purist wanting a completely flat back, they could offer additionally stickers that just filled the 'holes', not protruding.)