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My point was if they replied you, but you never received their mails. Just a thought.

Well as they are not ALLOWED by PayPal to get preorders paid, they can not yet (See previous).

Have you tried sending a mail from a different account? Worth a try. But I'm sure they are VERY busy, much less responsive to my mails too.

How would you suggest they take payment, when PayPal does not allow them to do so (see this)? Card payments give you as a consumer some rights within the EU that you do not get with a classic money transfer.

Well I think it is to estimate a realistic number of daily opens they tried to have some register this. I guess that if someone needs to use the keyboard every 5 minutes, it would be unlikely that they closed it in between. And 16h is a long time doing nothing else than interacting with the phone. I mean for my normal usage it would certainly also be interacting with apps that do not take text input for normal usage, so I will use it as a slab also.

I THINK the link is pre-orders only and once they payment mail is sent out it is changed from a pre-order to an order. But not sure....

That would make a lot of sense! Both to not risk being blamed for being partial, and also to avoid the chance of the unit being tested being one that had gone through an extra careful quality control. This could be important for devices with poor quality control.

AFAIK, this is not part of standard Pie. I haven't heard anything on F(x)tec adding it. Pie do as default encrypt all data on your phone. (see Security & Location, Advanced, Encryption) (Pie do also offer the Lockdown mode, that might help somewhat if you make it a habit using it) And you should be able to remote wipe the device too, see e.g. https://www.androidcentral.com/how-set-android-device-manager-lock-and-wipe-your-phone

Yeah, can't wait to see the results. :)

Ah sorry, I thought "Locker" was the password app. Must admit I never used any of their HUB stuff. (The only BB stuff I used was their nice keyboard software and DTEK)

Yes, it will certainly be simpler for them if this is just an accessory we as users can buy, and swap ourselves. But we are yet to here anything on how easy or difficult it is to change the keyboard. I fear that it might require heating up some glue, or something similar, as they changed the keyboard to get easier access to the battery, that could mean that the keyboard is not super easy to remove. But I might have misunderstood something.

But is that not what it says in the quote? 30 days free, and then you have to buy the (larger) Hub+ package to continue using it without ads.

it is really hard for us to evaluate, when we do not know the cost in making an alternative layout. Sure number 2 is just as cheap as any layout, but what is the price of number 1? That cost has to be covered by additional sales of either devices or extra keyboards the users changes...

If you like an trust the BB app, why not just pay?

I bet they do combined shipping... ;-p How many I will buy depends on the future of the whole project. If it is the end of the line for qwerty sliders I expect to buy more than if there is a good chance for a pro2, pro3, ... I think I will start with just two....

That seem to be the philosophy of Fxtec. Do the needed drivers, and add only device related stuff (like controlling the keyboard backlight, slider action and keyboard layout), that are not generically included in Android. Personally I think they should not even have made special apps for the Logo-key. Though the default apps like gmail is clearly not optimized for landscape well, there ARE third party apps that does work well in landscape and with keyboard. So why try to re-invent he wheel? IMHO a waste of their development money... The chance of it being better than say K9 I see as minima

Added recommendation of Termux, based on this thread.

Yup, the risk of them having holes are less than any home brew you, I or Fxtec might cook up. And if they were deliberately stealing they would only need to be caught doing so once to be dead... But SURE the NSA and similar in other countries have access to everything on our devices (if not they would be incompetent). It is bad, but we just have to accept it or stay off line. I have no illusions of real security. Big brother IS watching you.

It sounds to me like you might be sending from a mail-server that does not present itself in a proper way to the receiving server. A guess could be "Helo Reject" Personally I have had issues like that where benign incoming mails where rejected by my hosting provider's spam server. If might be that the fxtec mail-server got a strict setup too. Try to send from a different mail-server, e.g. a gmail account, to check that it goes through.

I do get your concern, but as I too is slightly paranoid, I do not see why we would trust build in software on a TCL device more than a third party app? Remember that BB as a brand is now just licensed to be used by Chinese TCL. I trusted the BB brand more while they were delivered by a Canadian company, as I trust the political environment they are operating in more in Canada. I like to believe that my BB Priv was (well: is) slightly more secure than the pure Android, And definitely more secure than my Samsung S8- that comes with a truck-load of bloat that is marked as system, and requires

$10 in shipping... Lucky you, I was charged €24 (~$27) to Denmark.... :-o See Erik's post earlier, they send to US-customers from a "Fulfilment centre" in the US.

It is a new odd bug, that is related to the approval system. IF a keymaster approves a post, but do NOT make a comment/reply in the thread, the approved comments are in an odd stealth state, until a keymaster make a comment (Yes, seriously!!) (That is why some might have seen some odd short XXXX-like comments from me, as I try to remember to make a dummy comment after approve, and then quickly Delete it, as this miraculously cleans up the mess....) ...I certainly(!) hope that this will be fixed with the new forum software

Termux works in Landscape aka Horizontal on a Pro1, yes. The other questions I can not answer, sorry.

Well I see it from another angle: The more we can get to buy a Pro1, the higher the chance there will be a Pro2, Pro3,.... when we want to upgrade...

Tried to install, and can see that say Ctrl+A or Alt+1 acts the same way as softkey followed by physical key, so Ctrl and Alt are supported. Though physical "Esc" jumps to the homescreen (where e.g. softkey Esc, just above the physical, followed by D clears to EOL) ADD: I have suggested fxtec to make a user-setting requiring a long press of Esc to jump to the homescreen.