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Multiple keypresses, any combination of 2 works, combinations of 3 or more depends on their location due to a hardware limit, but the layout of keys that can block eachother is good enough that you woulnd't have trouble in most conceivable scenarios (including emulator gaming and the likes). Ctrl, shift, alt, and fn (the diagonal arrow) are fully independent of eachother and the other keys. Edit: an additional detail is that if you press for example 3 keys where one of them does not register due to the other two being pressed the first ones pressed take priority, and if you let one of the t

Indeed I "tend to biased". As it is my firm believe that these guys are really good guys doing the best they can to give us the device most of us in here have been waiting for for years. And being in quite a bit of contact with them during the long test-process I feel I'm in a better position to judge their character, than some of the conspiracy people in here. Sure theoretically I could be wrong here, and it is all part of a very complex conspiracy scheme, but so many small things along the ways indicate that I'm right here, and that their only major wrongdoings are poor communication, and no

Got mine a few minutes back, not that far regarding to setting it up but I can say the overall phone feels fantastic. The keyboard feels nice too but I do not like the layout (the yellow arrow thing to be more specific). But nothing that can't be worked out!

@netman is the community developer we need, but don't deserve!

I think this sums it all up really precisely. 👍 For some the keyboard is a less used part of a phone, and they can let do with the touch surrogate keyboards, to get a lesser device. Others want a real keyboard, but are more depending on the many apps only optimised for portrait, and for those the BB Priv or BB Key½ are more optimal. And a minority that types a lot, we prefer a keyboard in the right direction, but still also being able to use it as a dumb slab. And this is the niche where the Pro1 fits. And of course this is a continuous spectrum. There are no perfect phone for everyo

I will hopefully get mine today (praying to the parcel gods here). But I don't think I would ever sell it in any case. The worst that could happen is that I just us to view movies while cooking at home. Don't get me wrong, I would sell another phone if I am unhappy. But I complain since years about the lack of hwkb-phones! This one gets my support even if I should not like it. It is a high price to pay and I know that it is a really luxurious position to be able to pay this price, but unfortunately it is the way the world works. There will only be other phones like that if they get enou

For what its worth, I was the lucky person to win this phone. Locane has shipped the phone and with any luck it will arrive on Friday 😍 I am currently on a droid 4 under a verizon pay-as-you-go plan, and will be attempting to migrate my sim to the phone using a galaxy s5 as a mule. If there is interest in the community I can film the process

Quick demo of my modified driver, keep in mind i'm also limited by the my thumbs and trying somewhat randomly to press this and that to give an idea what is possible.

Well I haven't really been following 'Erik' but this is what I received in official emails, to put things in chronological perspective. I'm a total sucker for niche PKB devices but the internal components in the world of cellphones do age very quickly, and there might not be another PKB device when this one becomes obsolete, which begs the question of whether it's worth making the jump to VKB earlier and sort of gulp down the distasteful medicine that we are a dying breed. 😅 But that would be a logical/rational decision and I'm emotional and stubborn about the things I want. 😙 The

Are you insinuating that not everybody would find it in here?🤣

That bug has been fixed with the latest OTA update, yes 🙂

I can confirm that the shifted layout is somewhat strange. But now that I have the phone I understand the move. It balances the number of keys you usually need with your right and left thumb. I am glad they did not shift they qwertz. Since there Umlauts are very common it would not have made any sense. However I see myself to get used to the shifted qwerty. I just wish they had shifted the numbers too!

I've created a small tutorial that might help you to get around some quirks you might have with your F(x) Tec Pro1. Let me know what you think about it and if you have further suggestions which I can add to it :) It's available both in German and English and you can find it here: https://www.dragonbox.de/index.php?fc=module&module=ybc_blog&controller=blog&id_post=9

Most of the emulator games and such allow remapping, and I think you'd be fine being unaware of the limitation since most keys that can block eachother are quite nearby to eachother, things like diagonals on wasd keys (actually wazs seems way more practical on pro1 but that's another discussion) pose no problem, even while using keys on the other side like jikm etc as abxy buttons. Unless the game in question is fixed to a very awkward unfortunate mapping I forsee no problems :-).

or just fake keyboards

That I have reason to believe it will come as part of an official update at some point :).

Woohoo! 100th page! Despite all the complaining and negativity, this at least shows that we're really interested in the Pro1 🙂

I have looked at fixing this in software, last few commits here: https://github.com/netman69/android_kernel_idealte_msm8998/blob/lineage-16.0/drivers/input/keyboard/aw9523b.c A patch was sent the right way already :).

....Here a trimmed and reduced 0.25x slow motion video showing it in more detail. Note how the back lifts as the first, as the initial push is slightly downwards on the front edge. YouCut_20191223_174454298.mp4

Conspiracy? I just thought it was because the pro1 is a few weeks late.

Yeah. On the other hand, injecting a little nonsense doesn't hurt. 😄

Yeah, tried to cover my tracks. 😄

You know... that are pages not posts .....

After I tell here all my principle and now I know that this Forum is NOT an official Forum from F(x)-tec even it is under the same Domain. It is out from a official Support Team and only a Area to play. I would seperate this community to an other side that it look's not like a cared part of the company but this is only my opinion. But for this Thread I can only tell, all my written mail's to the official support are answered in maximum of 12 hours time and all my question are sorted. I did my Refund and all went professional even with a sorry and nice words.

Clove have a review up:

So here is a sad story. We spent all day on this only to discover we weren't getting the results we thought we were. apparently none of this worked, but I got fooled into thinking it did. I did get back the Esc-to-Wake but it did not get any fallback. It's not clear exactly what went wrong because I was genuinely fooled into thinking I saw the full fallback, but having fixed how the test versions get installed, I can't reproduce it (Anssi doesn't have a Pro 1). So now he is sensibly going back to ESC being ESC (for terminal work and such) and assigning key to wake somewhere else.

That isn't the launcher. That's Pie. You can change it back to the old style in Settings->System->Gestures turn off swipe up on home.

It is somewhat funny (but please don't take this as an insult, it is not) how the community "rediscovers" why horizontal sliders like this (or maybe sliders in general) died out. From people selling this phone in a very public way to debating over reviews like this it kinda looks like history repeating itself :D It is not only that phones without sliding mechanisms and complicated keyboards are easier to produce and are (in some ways at least) more durable (or waterproof, etc) than those with them; it is also that the learning curve for a "candy bar" is basically nonexistent. Sure, you wi

Phone keyboard layouts always have been different from a PC keyboard layout... Their usage always has to be learned... And, as @Zamasu correctly mentioned, even an identical layout would imply a completely different usage if only for the use of your thumbs... I especially fail to see, by the way, how a tiny BlackBerry keyboard layout could be better than a full five-row layout like the Pro1's – except if all someone would ever want to type were letters. No numbers, no symbols... Besides, I used to have a PRIV and I really liked the mechanical construction of the keyboard, while my most si

For others who may wonder, my experience here is different, must depend on your hands or so... I find the keyboard pretty comfortable in general after about a week of use. It's nicer than n900 to me and i have 0 issues using the number row without touching the screen, i'd have to try to activate them simultaneously. The only time i accidently touch the screen often is while opening the device, it can be tricky, but it seems to get easier with time. It does need more thumb movement than the last keyboard phone i used, a nokia e72, but there are many more keys and the device is more functional.

To be clear, I was talking about my laptop keyboard. I don't have a Pro1. I'll give that page a shot on my Relay 4G sometime to see if it has any limitations. If your change makes it into an update from fxtec, that should certainly handle any lingering key-downs blocking a new key-down when someone is just trying to type. And it seems like, as you said, there are plenty of many-key-combinations available for use in games, assuming they allow custom mapping of actions to combinations.

Remember page nr 100! Or write it down on the back of your pro1 - to remember where to find one opening guide while in trouble 😄

Come on mate, call me out by name 😉 The reason i'm complaining is simply because the author didn't tailor the review to any particular audience. Is it for a general purpose smartphone user? Is it for a keyboard enthusiast? Is it for a power user? If it was meant for Joe Sixpack, play some games. Take some social media pictures. How does that work? What about the keyboard? Of course there's going to be a learning curve. Getting acquainted with a new keyboard was always a day or two long process that wasn't that hard at all. h This review was all over the place. The whole thing c

Yes ünüsäblë 😜 I would have wished it came with a setup something like what FinQwerty does out of the box. Or even better easy user customizable layouts.

I donated when I sent Anssi a feature request on a Sunday morning and an hour later had a new apk to test.

Yeah, they are too busy reading all this stuff to actually making phones...😜

Wait, this thread is long? Why oh why is it so long?

Can't thank this guy enough! QWERTY would have been unusable for me without this!

Nope. That is not it, The previous was a click on for the Galaxy S8-, before that a BB Priv (both with the keyboard in the wrong direction). Before that the exact example you showed an image of for the Iphone 6-, earlier the Xperia (Neo) Pro, and before that the N97Mini, both with much fewer columns. Actually when I had used The Pro1 qwertY intensively, I made the reverse typing errors when going back to a PC. But oddly left hand only. Most likely because I tend to type with the left hand resting on the keyboard, and the right resting on the elbow (never speculated on that before 🥴) But

Thank you, to you too. Up to the moment I am totally happy. I got used to the hinge in minutes and fixed the keyboard layout with finqwerty. It feels great but I have to build some muscle memory again to reach tipping speeds!

@Gon009 On the auto-rotate thing. It is a software bug. It seems to have been introduces fixing another issue with last update. I can reproduce it by placing the device upright in portrait on the lower edge on a table, and tilt it slowly to flat, wait a few seconds and pick it up again. To get out of this state, As a workaround I simply start a program that IGNORES the autorotate on/off setting(!) and do autorotate based on the sensor, and turn the device a full 360 degrees. I use "AndroSensor".

Honestly I hope so, too. There's room for improvement on the pro1, but it does well for what I bought it.

+1 it's never happened to me accidently and I feel like i have fat sausage fingers usually

Except, not everyone is having this problem. I've even tried typing random numbers very fast with my thumbs and it doesn't happen. I have big hands, by the way, with large thumbs.

Thanks for the heads up. I have actually butchered cases about to make phones fit. My next project will be my Xperia X. I've got a Bluetooth Micro Keyboard on order that I plan to mate with it, so I'll have it to hand when I open the case. But as for the Pro1, I'm not finished yet. I'm planning on a trip to the nearest big city to scour the phone shops for bargain bin cases that might fit the bill. (Not really, I'm going just to flash the Pro1 off and annoy the hell outa them) 😂😂

I don't know of any other device I'll use that'll have a keyboard that I use with my thumbs. It's a completely different muscle memory. I don't have the Pro1 yet so I'm speculating, but I don't think the muscle memory will collide with regular keyboards. I didn't have any significant issue with the Desire Z even though that merged and moved some things around because of the small keyboard.

I couldn't agree more about having choices and not liking the BB keyboards! I too find them way too small to comfortably type on and achieve any real accuracy and speed. I don't think I'll have any trouble acclimating to the Pro1, but only time will tell. I do know that speed and accuracy aren't a problem on my Droid 4 (which I'm using right now).

To be fair, speaker and key positions were things you could see right away on the website. I do agree the shifted layout isn't ideal, but that's why I'm going for a QWERTZ model myself. Thanks for giving someone a chance to acquire it faster if they feel the need however.

Oh, it just occurred to me that the same issues I'm having with the vendor image are probably causing TWRP data decrypt to fail. So I'm pretty confident that once the vendor image works, I can build a TWRP with working data decrypt.

Making a working vendor image is proving to be quite the adventure. But! ... I just got a good boot with a hacked up vendor image. 🙂 So the next step is to retrace my steps and figure out how to translate my hacks into a working build. I may be able to get that done tomorrow, but I'm not sure.