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1 hour ago, EskeRahn said:

Quite a number of launchers do support landscape mode, but most often just be stretching and squeezing the grid from portrait...

Until now the only one I have seen with the two block approach (one over the other or side by side) is the one that comes with the Pro1.

Yeah be interesting to see what they have done as this is for there new device so you would think they have given it some thought 

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1 hour ago, _DW_ said:

Yeah be interesting to see what they have done as this is for there new device so you would think they have given it some thought 

When I see the word Microsoft in combination with launcher, my immediate thought is "OH NO! Hideous tiles on Android too?!?!" but of course there are those that actually like that tile-mess, so to each their own. nice that we have variety.

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24 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

When I see the word Microsoft in combination with launcher, my immediate thought is "OH NO! Hideous tiles on Android too?!?!" but of course there are those that actually like that tile-mess, so to each their own. nice that we have variety.

I used older version on blackberry it was just like other launchers no tiles around 😄

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36 minutes ago, _DW_ said:

I used older version on blackberry it was just like other launchers no tiles around 😄

OH! I shun the tiles so much I never even bothered to look at the images for the MS launcher. I better do then. Thanks.

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5 minutes ago, EskeRahn said:

OH! I shun the tiles so much I never even bothered to look at the images for the MS launcher. I better do then. Thanks.

Side topic, but do you have any apps you like that make Win10 more like Windows 7?  I have 2 machines I am dreading upgrading.  They really messed up how you access the settings, in addition to the tiles issue.  Although that is much better in win10 than win8.

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19 minutes ago, david said:

Side topic, but do you have any apps you like that make Win10 more like Windows 7?  I have 2 machines I am dreading upgrading.  They really messed up how you access the settings, in addition to the tiles issue.  Although that is much better in win10 than win8.

Nope, I got used to the mess, and added a bunch of sticky shortcuts in the taskbar, You can  add a shortcut to the folder "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs" and drag it close to the degenerated windows icon to the left, and here the small icon gives something close to a real start menu, and then remove all tiles from the fake start menu.

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(right click taskbar, toolbars, "New Toolbar", paste in the path. And then drag it all the way to the right, it first compresses your real taskbar, but finally pops to the right side, and then you can compact it by moving the separator to the left, silly yes, but it works....)

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1 hour ago, david said:

Side topic, but do you have any apps you like that make Win10 more like Windows 7?  I have 2 machines I am dreading upgrading.  They really messed up how you access the settings, in addition to the tiles issue.  Although that is much better in win10 than win8.

I haven't used it since years ago when it was "Classic Shell" but you can try "Open Shell" and see if it does enough for you. 

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

I only use Windows for very basic stuff anymore and have no patience for tweaking it any more.  I have all the programs I use on the task bar (including the depreciated "Command Prompt" DOS box they don't want you to use anymore) and, really, the task bar is my UI.

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5 hours ago, david said:

Side topic, but do you have any apps you like that make Win10 more like Windows 7?  I have 2 machines I am dreading upgrading.  They really messed up how you access the settings, in addition to the tiles issue.  Although that is much better in win10 than win8.

 

4 hours ago, Hook said:

I haven't used it since years ago when it was "Classic Shell" but you can try "Open Shell" and see if it does enough for you. 

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

I only use Windows for very basic stuff anymore and have no patience for tweaking it any more.  I have all the programs I use on the task bar (including the depreciated "Command Prompt" DOS box they don't want you to use anymore) and, really, the task bar is my UI.

I second what @Hook recommended.  I've been using Classic Shell for years.  I know it's out of active development and someone else took it over I guess as Open Shell, but I'm using classic shell 4.3.1 with my windows 10 at work.  I am holding onto Win 7 at home, where I also use it since the "new menus" are terrible IMHO.

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This is offtopic, but I feel like this is something I can get give my personal input on.
I'm running Windows 10 Home with all UWP apps removed except Settings, automatic updates disabled, Classic Shell (maybe I should update, but ain't broken yet), OldNewExplorer to restore old Explorer UI, Glass8 to restore Aero looks, Windows 7 custom theme, 7+ Taskbar Tweaker for big icons in taskbar (and other neat things), as well as QTTabBar for tabs in Explorer (this one is slowly falling apart on newer Windows 10 builds, but still works).

I like this setup, but some of the stuff is prone to break on major updates. Takes some patience and you better know what you're doing. One could wonder if it's worth the hassle. Maybe it isn't.

The attached screenshot shows how I'm not exactly using a Windows 7-style window decoration or blur, but something more Aero-styled is also an option, just opted for something a little bit different.

Perhaps this could be split off as well? Couldn't resist giving my two cents, sorry.

 

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It looks like Open Shell handles the Start Menu mess, but is there anything that will handle all the settings screens that they messed up, like networking?  And Windows Explorer?

Okay, I just googled around and found the following that might help.  I don't have time to mess with it now, but will come back to it later:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-make-windows-10-look-like-windows-7/

https://blog.usro.net/how-to-start-the-windows-classic-control-panel-in-windows-10/

It doesn't look like those will take care of the settings screens issue and getting to the settings through the wifi list in the system tray, but maybe there are some other tools out there for modifying that navigation/look-and-feel.

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10 minutes ago, elvissteinjr said:

Perhaps this could be split off as well? Couldn't resist giving my two cents, sorry.

I bet @EskeRahn will be along shortly to whisk it away to another topic. :-)

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9 hours ago, EskeRahn said:

Quite a number of launchers do support landscape mode, but most often just be stretching and squeezing the grid from portrait...

Until now the only one I have seen with the two block approach (one over the other or side by side) is the one that comes with the Pro1.

I reset my phone back to android tonight so gave this a go.  The icons part does just stretch the grid

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On 1/31/2020 at 7:22 AM, EskeRahn said:

Well the alternative would be that your widget would be stretched oddly when turning (most launchers do that).

There are launchers out there where the layout in landscape and portrait are independent. Those unfortunately seems to lack some keyboard functionality, but might be a better option for you.

Have a look at "Total Launcher" (despite initially putting things in a circle, there are a lot of options, including choosing grids of a size you choose)

Other alternative, keep using stock launcher. Download Everywhere Launcher, side menu app. Widgets work portrait or landscape.Screenshot_20200214-093334.thumb.png.0347bfc46c4efed940041d307f93121e.png

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5 hours ago, david said:

It doesn't look like those will take care of the settings screens issue and getting to the settings through the wifi list in the system tray, but maybe there are some other tools out there for modifying that navigation/look-and-feel.

I'm a little puzzled by this comment and may be misunderstanding.  You can get to settings via the gear icon on the start menu and once launched, you can pin it to your task bar.  As I've said, the task bar is really my Windows UI.  Everything I use fits there.  There's some very old legacy stuff like Device Manager that won't pin, but you can find it by right clicking on start.

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55 minutes ago, Hook said:

I'm a little puzzled by this comment and may be misunderstanding.  You can get to settings via the gear icon on the start menu and once launched, you can pin it to your task bar.  As I've said, the task bar is really my Windows UI.  Everything I use fits there.  There's some very old legacy stuff like Device Manager that won't pin, but you can find it by right clicking on start.

Maybe we shall find a better place for this windows talk. But that said it is still a mess with some settings in the new flat hell, and some in the good old control panel.

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1 hour ago, EskeRahn said:

Maybe we shall find a better place for this windows talk. But that said it is still a mess with some settings in the new flat hell, and some in the good old control panel.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.  "flat hell" is a good way to put it! LOL  We wouldn't want to use tabs.  That would be a horrible way to neatly organize things.  It is better to have a bunch of scrolling screens and drilldowns. /s

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2 hours ago, Hook said:

I'm a little puzzled by this comment and may be misunderstanding.  You can get to settings via the gear icon on the start menu and once launched, you can pin it to your task bar.  As I've said, the task bar is really my Windows UI.  Everything I use fits there.  There's some very old legacy stuff like Device Manager that won't pin, but you can find it by right clicking on start.

To be honest, I only have 2 windows 10 machines that are in the house and I rarely use them.  Oh, and my parent's machine is windows 10.  And when I have to use any of them, it is very frustrating and takes much longer to get things done.  The reason I'm using them, usually, is to fix something, hence needing to go through settings screens.

I'll have to use one of the laptops here for a guinea pig to see if I can make it usable, before I upgrade my main machines.

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I like classic shell for windows too.  Starting using it with Windows 8 cuz they took away the start button, but stuck with it thru Windows 10.  Now i just run linux and don't worry about that stuff.

 

As to launchers for Pro¹,  I've only tried the stock version of quickstep and nova.   What launcher(s) allow you to set up separate widgets & shortcuts for landscape and portrait, as opposed to stock version of rotation (which is ok) or most other launchers that rotate but only look the way you want in the orientation you set it up for....

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