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@VaZso , @_DW_ (I moved some dialogue to the repairability thread, where it fits better than a thread on size)

Of course I meant you could upgrade some of your Pro1s, you could keep the rest of them for your personal phone-museum. 😜 But more seriously, yeah, they could sell the parts for self replacements too. And one could be a new pcb with newer chipset in say 2022. But IF they changed the parts themselves, it might get a status a bit like "refurbished", that came with a warranty also, thus inciting people to upgrade 😇

And the "just" is the issue here, as this simple and natural question is so hard to answer, as so many things can affect it.... I mean if I send a postcard to my neighbourgh in a reasonable organised country like Denmark it could be anything from one to seven days... And the whole travel of the Pro1 from the factory to our doorsteps involves so many unpredictable factors that could influence it. Including - but not limited to - customs.

So you are saying that it is worse if they are accidentally wrong than if it was deliberate?? You lost me there....😲 I think the key word here is "promise", as it is quite fuzzy who said what and when, and with what authority, and thus it is fuzzy if we actually got anything "promised" on the delivery, or they were/are just stating their intentions and WE interpret that as promises.

Indeed let us hope this will be a hit, and open for all the possibilities. In the minimal version I imagine a few years down a variant that reuse as much as possible, but with 5G version antennas, and with what other upgrades that would be obvious to do in say 2021 or 2022. Sticking to existing 4G antennas, they might even offer us to send in the devices for an upgrade, so we when getting it a fresh battery and usb-plug also can get some other internals upgraded.

Apart from what @Doktor Oswaldo already replied, I'm absolutely sure that they believe their time line estimates to be realistic when they give them. The sooner stuff can get on the street the better for their total sales. Unfortunately for them it is beginning to look very tight to be able to offer new orders (after the pre-orders have been handled) to be available before Xmas, as certainly would be the best for their sales. And I'm sure they work as hard as possible to get to that point. I hope for them that batch three is large enough to not only cover the pre-orders, but also to

On the other hand, the same keyboard designs and mechanisms could most likely be reused over many generations of interiors. Though of course say a next gen GSM could require design changes for different antennas.

Though this looks awfully slick, it would be hard to use with keys all the way down in the corners - just saying. 😜

It could well be that Erik (unfortunately) just like I did, had interpreted it as that was the intention, but it might never have been so... Unfortunately we are guessing on how things are going to be distributed, see one elaborated guess from @VaZso from yesterday here. We do not KNOW.

To be fair to Samsung here: As I remember it, the first cancel was Best Buy's own initiative. Not something initiated by Samsung.

...that is one possibility, or the (poor) communication have been interpreted wrongly. It is a bit like before the wall came down, where all kind of things was attempted deduced from the scraps of information that came out from the Kremlin. Would we have preferred much more information? Absolutely!! Are all the things we deduce/guess from what we can scrape together correct? Most likely not!! I for one (mis?)read their earlier communication as if there would be TWO "Fulfilment warehouses", one for the the EU and one for the US, but that the rest would be sent directly. We later

They did take pre-orders, and cancelled all of them. I do not know if they took and refunded money. But as they are just a tad bigger than FxTec, they are likely to be able to finance the production for their own money. Sure FxTec could have tried to lend the money for that somewhere - but that would be raising the cost and thus the price....

You mean the Cosmo? Yeah, as I usually say to people that want to buy a laptop today, I find it hard to argue for a device hinge-folding in 2019 that can not fold all the way (that is with a double hinge). If you buy a laptop today, it ought to be similar to e.g. the many Lenovos Yoga-models. The Cosmo would have been much more interesting that way, and they could ditch the external screen.

Maybe most of us got tired of saying the same thing over and over to the same people: This is a startup, with a lot of things out of their control, doing a device of a type no one has offered for many years. Why is it that people do not find it odd that a company as huge and experienced as Samsung could announce their foldable device to come "next year" for five years, and when it finally was announced it took half a year for it to become available, after cancelling all their pre-orders. And on the other hand expects Fxtec, to predict every obstacle, and work smoothly by the plan?

They could have widened the whole thing BUT if so, they would need to keep the lower corners without keys (Similar to what BB did on the Priv), as corner would for most people be causing issues when they reach for the middle and, corner keys would also be hard to fold the thumb to reach. I HOPE (though doubt) that this will become such a huge success, so they can make a Pro2- and Pro2+ with identical logical specs, and scaled down with about 10% respectively up by 5-10%. (The same way SonyEricsson did many years ago with their keyboard-less variants of the Xperia (Neo) Pro, that is the Ra

Oh this reminds me, many years ago I was suggested, that if I ever wrote my memoirs, to call it "How to make easy things complicated - volume one to eleven". 😇

Certainly. You might consider reading all the way down to the line below starting with "On the other hand some threads ...." 😜

Though I would love it if the Pro1 would sell in the multi milions like Nokia did in the hay days, I find it highly unlikely. So dedicated tools are hardly in play here, more than perhaps some moulds - but honestly I think it more likely that it is programable machines that cut things than moulds.

I think the forum is getting messy with people making new threads that are slight variations over existing threads. If I was less lazy, I guess I ought to merge more not less... On the other hand some threads are getting messy because things go off topic, so these ought to be split - and some of the splits from different threads merged.... But it's complex, especially if (as is often the case) the comment that starts a thread to go 'off topic', also includes something that is ON topic, so it is the comment in itself that ought to be split first, and that is not a simple task to do th

I think the word "neglegible" he used might be not that well chosen, but his point stands that no one should depend that much on a particular device. Let's think of alternatives. For the user that is on a tight budget but still wants/needs a real keyboard, a BT-keyboard and a simple smartphone is a cheaper alternative. Sure it is by far as convenient to carry around and use - but the functionality is there. So from that perspective what we are buying is the convenience. Thus we are (primarily) talking those willing to spend the extra money on convenience - sure there are those that will

I have it exactly he same way, And I have (until now in vain) tried to persuade them to make a firmware/software fix for that. In the simplest form, simply have a logical lesser size with 'dead' edges of user selectable size. I can not imagine that it would be hard to do, and would make both user groups happy. It would be best if they did not have to be the same in portrait and landscape, but even if the same. Let us say we choose 4mm dead zones at both edges, that would leave us with a flat LOGICAL screen of 136x60mm that is a 5.85" 20.4 : 9 with the odd 2160x952. In the advanced v

Well at the least all the whining seems (almost) limited to this thread, so it is better than having it cluttering all over other threads (IMHO)

We have seen people in here wanting it even huger before. As well as smaller. I think FxTec have done a long deliberation on the size before settling on the 6" 2:1. Already people are calling the whole real keyboard thing an attempt to return to the past, and we would have had more of that if the screen was smaller. Personally I would have preferred it smaller, but I think that would have limited their market even more to the segments of old dinosaurs (like my self). Try to think of it in a different aspect: Will the huger size wheel in more young people than loosing old dinosau

The Priv is 147 x 77.2 x 9.4 mm The Pro1 is 154 x 73.6 x 13.98 mm So really not that much bigger. It is actually substantially less wide, making it less bad for one hand operation - though still too big for my hands. On the other hand you get a full keyboard in the right direction. The price for that, the solid metal build, and the 15% larger display is that the Priv is 20% less heavy.,.

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