Rob. S.

Thanks for "Fx", didn't know that yet. Looks good!

Ordered some Raxfly stuff myself too, curious to see how that will turn out... Will take a few weeks though, needed to order in China...

I do sympathize with your general position there, but I guess the concrete intention in this case is not so much to babysit people so they'll not get into trouble by breaking the law, but that the manufacturers themselves want to avoid a reality of many complaining users, which could be either users complaining about getting caught breaking the law with their phones while they didn't know they did, or people who complain that they were illegally recorded and the phones allow it. Which I also guess is the intention of restrictive laws in the matter – not so much trying to babysit people, b

Just to be clear on this, my posts on the matter were intended as an explanation why manufacturers might be not too eager to give us the feature, not as a conduct recommendation for users... 😉 That said, in many legislations evidence will be rejected and is therefore worthless when it was acquired illegally, and even if you'd present such evidence in a legislation where it is honoured, you might still get prosecuted for having recorded it in the first place and might even get condemned to pay compensation.

In general, yes. But companies might not want to advertise an option that makes criminals out of naive users who just don't know the laws about recording calls, which I guess might be a large percentage of the people in those states where the laws demand two-party consent.

I hereby inform you that you've now earned the privilege of becoming the first name in my ignore list. (Reason: Giving one too many asinine answer to something the meaning of which you didn't even understand, or didn't want to understand – which wasn't the first time, either, something which impedes any sensible, intelligent discussion. Farewell, but without me.)

To follow up, on a side note, on something I wrote in a now-closed thread about that "PrinCube" Indiegogo campaign where even I was already close to suspecting fraud after the communication had been even worse than here, the first few devices (after all deliveries were promised to be fulfilled before Christmas) have actually been delivered. So, no fraud there, either, although I suspect I won't get my item before March, maybe April. The biggest problem for communication to backers seems to be that the people who started the campaign don't get much feedback from the factory...

While milk can also become a thick product quite easily.

No, not about that. Anyway, I give up.

The subject is really complex – Wikipedia has an overview at least for some countries. Laws differ between European nations just as they differ between US-American states. Some countries, some states are fine with one-party consent, others demand two-party consent. The question whether a company is allowed to "record all calls" (without the works council agreeing) is an even more complex matter, because it is affected by labour protection laws, too...

Just a guess, but a reason for device manufacturers to not make call recording available could be legal, rather than technical. Under quite a number of jurisdictions call recording is illegal (without explicit consent of both parties)...

And "annoying" is what, a constructive argument? If being "annoyed" makes you continue to annoy others, do you really think that will make the situation become less annoying for you? Or do you mean others should shut up, after your utterances of annoyance? Just because you repeatedly accuse people of things ("fallacies" is only one of them; I've been on the receiving end of that already, too), that does not make it a correct description of reality. And even if what you wrote contained "constructive criticism" once, any constructivity that might have existed went away in the sheer repetit

Yes, so what? They made many mistakes until now, this isn't by far the worst, and the world isn't coming to an end because of either of them.

Then you should be aware of the differences between that and a company like F(x)tec. Differences which substantiate different judgements about delays for both, the perhaps most obvious being one sounds more like B2B and the other is B2C. If you cannot see that for yourself, or what such differences actually mean, I wish you good luck with your small company, which you then might need more than you might like. P.S.: I would have ordered the Pro¹ for the price they were asking even if it would have come with the Snapdragon 636 I've currently got in my Moto Z3 Play, which is already more tha

Yes, indeed. And you knew that when you pre-ordered, didn't you? No-one forced you to. You could have just waited until GA. In constitutional states the general principle is to give the accused the benefit of doubt (in dubio pro reo), as long as there is no evidence against them. One of my most important IT forums which is, all in all, moderated liberally, has a general rule, though, of not allowing an accusation of lie at all. That's on the simple grounds that it is significantly harder to tell whether something was deliberate than to know, subsequently, that something turned o

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What he was very politely hinting at, to which I, personally, am less inclined, is that if you don't come up with a better answer on "how else to explain it" yourself, you're either suffering from a severe lack of imagination, or you're absolutely intent on throwing mud at Fxtec even though you damn well know that there are more possible explanations.

@Artemis-kun – I agree with virtually all of what you said (and appreciate your saying it) so far. Just two remarks to minor points: While that would surely help getting an understanding that could prevent most of the rants, it sounds a bit like "do not criticize if you can't do it better yourself", which wouldn't really be an acceptable argument... Oh, there are many other reasons for that. And I guess we shouldn't overestimate the importance and the potency of just a handful of complainants, even though they're particularly loud and persevering. And after all, it's like every

Just for the record, I asked Brodit whether they might make a dedicated holder for the Pro¹, but somewhat expectedly they said no, "right now we can't say if we're going to make one in the future, but as it looks right now there are no plans".

Your crossposting this doesn't really make it more agreeable. I'll just link to my original reply here. (I wasn't replying to @Krzysieq, of course.)

What you write is, mostly, technically correct, but you're largely overrating this. In the light of the total of pre-orders, even if that would have been only a few thousand, a couple of dozen devices shipped to three small retailers already wasn't a big deal in the first place, and three or four of them being bought by pre-orderers to accelerate delivery won't drive F(x)tec into bankruptcy, either. Those few small retailers are not, by the way, shops that cater to the "general public", with their product range they explicitly cater to "enthusiasts". Which is why F(x)tec served them befor

Thanks for the suggestion. Now that you mention it, I feel like I've heard about FairEmail before... I'll be having another look at it.

Criticism of Dropbox [Wikipedia] – those are the reasons why I never used Dropbox... I try to get along without commercial cloud offerings as much as I can anyway, but then again I have the privilege of being able and willing to run my own Nextcloud server. I do still use Google Drive, though, for those rare applications for which there is no adequate Nextcloud support, like exchanging hiking tracks between my desktop and the Locus map app (see above) on Android... Thanks for reminding me to check these out on Android. I'm mostly using LibreOffice on Linux (and Windows,

I really like it. Wouldn't go out hiking without. The usefulness of course depends on how good the available maps are for where you are. And sometimes the offline maps are worse (less detailed) than the online maps of the same source, like "Outdoor Active", which is what I use for Germany...

Does it support message encyrption (PGP)? Or does anyone know of any modern app that does (and doesn't route your mail through their own servers where the store and read it, like some of the more modern-looking Android apps actually do)? For the time being, I'm still using the rather dated K-9 Mail, which does offer message encryption. It doesn't offer identities with different SMTP servers for one mail account, like Thunderbird does.