MickH 211 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I must say I haven't experienced any random shutdowns/reboots for some time now. But having said that I haven't been anywhere but in hospital or at home due to lockdown. But I did find out that the shutdowns & reboots I had last year were caused by network maintenance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hook 2,945 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 3:38 PM, tdm said: I have not completely backed out the double-tap-to-wake (dt2w) changes from stock. That could be what you are seeing. I'll try to get that done for the next build. For what it's worth, the shutting down which had been happening nearly daily, has not happened since I installed the new Lineage build. Thanks, tdm. 🙂 (Hoping this isn't famous last words 😄 ). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdm 2,322 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hook said: For what it's worth, the shutting down which had been happening nearly daily, has not happened since I installed the new Lineage build. Thanks, tdm. 🙂 (Hoping this isn't famous last words 😄 ). Thank you for the confirmation that it is fixed. This means the actual DT2W configuration change fixed the issue and the I2C changes were not necessary. I'm mildly interested in the I2C changes, but I have no idea what is wired to i2c_7. I guess as long as it works, I'll just leave it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jordi 72 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Hook said: For what it's worth, the shutting down which had been happening nearly daily, has not happened since I installed the new Lineage build. Thanks, tdm. 🙂 (Hoping this isn't famous last words 😄 ). Same here, since I installed LOS Test15, shutting down never happened again. And with LOS, I never had spontaneous reboots anymore. Thus, installing LOS has been a very fortunate decision! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
michael.bosscha 142 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I'm still in doubt if I should install LOS. I mean, Android hasn't given me an troubles apart from the WiFi reboot thing. What is the main advantage of switching to LOS? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 1,435 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) On 6/26/2020 at 2:57 PM, michael.bosscha said: What is the main advantage of switching to LOS? I summarized it on reddit, but the main things are keyboard working a lot more like it should and no more audio crackle. Edited June 28, 2020 by Craig 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToniCipriani 194 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 The past 48 hours or so my phone spontaneously rebooted around 3 times. BUT I also seem to find out that if I use the Debug shortcut (Power + Volume Down) it rebooted my phone as well, so I do wonder if some of the reboots were actually triggered by the hard keys in the pocket and not actually spontaneous. Captured a debug report anyways, not sure if FXtec/IdeaLTE wants to look at it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daniel.schaaaf 177 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I experienced a lot of reboots since the 202006 update. Today I tried to use OsmAnd for navigation, and my phone lasted no more than a few minutes until it decided to reboot again. Very frustrating ... Unfortunately I was not able to pinpoint the problem 😞 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieBruine 397 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I completely forgot to mention my reboots. Three weeks ago I went on a road trip. I was using Google maps and the phone was connected to a QC charger. Out of nowhere it rebooted. On the way back it happened again, twice. I can't say anything else about it. I was just driving with my phone on, connected to a charger and Google maps active. This was during the night in dark mode, all three times while I was driving through France. Apart from these three occurences, it hasn't happened again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingAntero 869 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I have not noticed random reboots since March but I have not been travelling due COVID-19 situation (I am working from my home). That makes me believe that the root cause of the issue is the same with some Sony devices. I mentioned that earlier. All random reboots that I have faced have happened during travelling. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,427 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, DieBruine said: I was using Google maps and the phone was connected to a QC charger. Out of nowhere it rebooted. This COULD be a thermal issues. IF a device is quick charging while using GPS at the same time, the risk of overheating is quite high. (But sure the phone OUGHT to throttle down the charging rate if the temperature gets too high) In general if using a phone for car navigation I would strongly advise to charge it before the trip. So the battery is not charging while the device is hot. See e.g. this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lzb 43 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I'll echo some of the reports here. I have a sense that the reboots for me have gotten more frequent lately, can't put my finger on why (maybe the recent OS patches introduced a new bug as @daniel.schaaaf alluded to). Happens during charging sometimes, other times, it's just on a table or the couch or something and it decides to reboot. No idea what triggers it. The only reproducible state in which I noticed reboots was at my work site when the phone was in a particularly weird cell reception area, and moving it from that area stopped the reboots. But I've been working from home for months due to COVID, where I'm on WiFi nearly all the time, and I'm still getting them (and now seems worse). @EskeRahn Regarding car use, I will note that with Android Auto, it must be plugged in to the car to use it, and will always charge in that state, unless one has a fancy wireless Android Auto set up, which isn't that widespread yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,427 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, lzb said: @EskeRahn Regarding car use, I will note that with Android Auto, it must be plugged in to the car to use it, and will always charge in that state, unless one has a fancy wireless Android Auto set up, which isn't that widespread yet. Sorry for being unclear. Indeed use plugged in. BUT charge the phone before starting the navigation. This way the battery is 'idle' at 100% during navigation, and thus any heating affects the battery less. Worst case is: Quick charge heating the device and battery Heavy usage of the phone, heating the device and battery (And if placed at a hot place it is even worse) LiIon batteries generally dislikes being charged while the temperature is above about 30 deg Celscius. It shortens the overall lifespan of the battery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdm 2,322 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I've never observed any phone get very warm during navigation usage while plugged in. And I have done it quite a lot. For a couple years this was the main way my phone got charged every day, during my commute to work and back. I have never done this with the Pro1, but I cannot imagine it would be any different. Certainly it should not get warm enough to thermal throttle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,427 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, tdm said: I've never observed any phone get very warm during navigation usage while plugged in. And I have done it quite a lot. For a couple years this was the main way my phone got charged every day, during my commute to work and back. I have never done this with the Pro1, but I cannot imagine it would be any different. Certainly it should not get warm enough to thermal throttle. I have not had it reach the point of booting, but I certainly had it go way beyond 30°C. Both with an aPple S6-, a BB Priv, a Samsung S8- and the Pro1. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hook 2,945 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I drive around (well, not so much lately) with the Pro1 plugged in for Android Auto and have never had a problem with overheating (warm, yes) or the phone shutting down in the car, Back when I was getting resets It did happen in the car once or twice, but never was overheating a reasonable suspect. By the way, on Lineage, I haven't seen a spontaneous reboot since @tdm said he removed the tap-to-wake elements left from stock. I really can't imagine why I'd ever go back to IdeaLTE stock at this point. Curiosity, maybe. It would be a quick trip if I did. 😉 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdm 2,322 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, EskeRahn said: I have not had it reach the point of booting, but I certainly had it go way beyond 30°C. Both with an aPple S6-, a BB Priv, a Samsung S8- and the Pro1. Well, perhaps we have different ideas of "very warm"? I think 30c is rather cool for a phone during active use and charging. I would consider "very warm" to be closer to perhaps 50c. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,427 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, tdm said: Well, perhaps we have different ideas of "very warm"? I think 30c is rather cool for a phone during active use and charging. I would consider "very warm" to be closer to perhaps 50c. Oh indeed, but battery charging above 30°C should be avoided if possible. Oblivious it is not a sharp limit. fromhttps://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries Quote Lithium-ion suffers from stress when exposed to heat, so does keeping a cell at a high charge voltage. A battery dwelling above 30°C (86°F) is considered elevated temperature and for most Li-ion a voltage above 4.10V/cell is deemed as high voltage. Exposing the battery to high temperature and dwelling in a full state-of-charge for an extended time can be more stressful than cycling. Table 3 demonstrates capacity loss as a function of temperature and SoC. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnnieC 115 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, tdm said: I've never observed any phone get very warm during navigation usage while plugged in. And I have done it quite a lot. For a couple years this was the main way my phone got charged every day, during my commute to work and back. I have never done this with the Pro1, but I cannot imagine it would be any different. Certainly it should not get warm enough to thermal throttle. Try a Moto Z 😄 My Moto Z not only got hot enough to throttle, but it turned itself off because it overheated while using navigation and charging it at the same time. When I tried to turn it back on the aluminum housing almost burned my fingers. Probably didn't help that it was summer and no AC in the car. But the Moto Z can get very hot easily. Edited July 17, 2020 by AnnieC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DieBruine 397 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 The phone was not warm. Apart from rebooting in case of bad WiFi way back, my phone has rebooted previously while using Maps. In this case even more so. My phone holder is mounted on the vents. It was cooled the whole 2000km on both trips. No way my phone heated up 🙂 . Airco was on all the time. Both holder and phone could not have been above 20 degrees. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,427 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, DieBruine said: The phone was not warm. Apart from rebooting in case of bad WiFi way back, my phone has rebooted previously while using Maps. In this case even more so. My phone holder is mounted on the vents. It was cooled the whole 2000km on both trips. No way my phone heated up 🙂 . Airco was on all the time. Both holder and phone could not have been above 20 degrees. Great, then we can eliminate that as a possible reason, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. S. 1,647 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, tdm said: I've never observed any phone get very warm during navigation usage while plugged in After some four or five hours of driving with navigation running, the Blackberry Priv I once had usually shut itself down due to overheating. This of course happened when I already was right inside that big destination city where I was completely lost without navigation – having to seek a parking bay only to wait for the damned thing to cool down, already being late for the appointment, of course... Edited July 18, 2020 by Rob. S. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingAntero 869 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) OnePlus Nord users have something in common with us 🤔. Nord Shutdown /Reboot issue The OnePlus Nord already appears to exhibit display tinting issues Edited August 11, 2020 by FlyingAntero Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lzb 43 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 The random reboots are getting worse. They seem to be much more frequent than when I first got the phone. I don't know what the root cause is, or why they are more frequent now, but it's starting to boarder on unusable. I feel like I need to contact Fxtec but at this point I'm not sure what they can do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hook 2,945 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 It may not be a solution you want to do, but as far as I can tell they don't happen on Lineage. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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