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What has my patience to do with this? Sure I would have loved to have had it in July that was the original plan, I'm not a patient guy - never claimed to be - But that does not give me or anyone else reasons to accuse them of things out of their control. SURE their communication has not been as good as I would have wanted. And I already said that. (And as you might have guessed by me having a very early not fully functioning unit, I have done a bunch of testing for them, so it is no big surprise that they would like me to test the actual retail unit also...)

What has it to do with anything that I got my retail device?? Are you saying that you would not be whining if someone else had been receiving the unit I got??? And if you look in the statistics in here, questioning if I followed the discussion is just... - well I will try to avoid using the words I feel would describe it. Their INTENTION was not to take money before shortly before, but they CLEARLY changed that before they actually asked for the money.Or did you happen to not follow that part of the journey? And yes Chen tried to get the Moto Mod keyboard up and running. But in

I'm so sick of all this whining and blaming.... Yes their communication could clearly have been better. Have you guys ever been involved in a company manufacturing anything complex? Do you even have a clue on what you are talking about? If you want to be sure, why did you even consider to do a pre-order rather than wait for a on-the-shelf-product? If you do not understand or can accept that things happens in a manufacturing process that is out of the manufacturers control, your are just torturing yourself by doing pre-orders. I'm surprised that many in here can be so naïve as to expe

....And oddly they do not seem to be on the Manufacturer list to the left?

Yup I use FinQWERTY, and use it in QWERTY variants on the Pre-production unit and the "Final sample", and the QWERTZ variant on my Retail unit. There have been no issues of that sort. (The only issues were that some earlier test-versions had some keys mapped a sub-optimal ways). As far as I knows FinQWERTY only adds a keylayout file, it does not even alter the KeyCharacterMap level, nor the basic functionality of the keyboard.

Odd, It is at the least half a year ago I saw that (and hence on the pre-prod unit). So could it be some particular software I'm not using that triggers the bug? Can you see any pattern in when?

Maybe that can explain some heated comments in here? 😇

The problem is that it would be a administrative nightmare to handle different grades of quality. How should they make them distinguishable? How to avoid that reviews were never confused? How should they price them? And on repairs, should you then be charged if what ever made it second grade was fixed as a side effect of the repair? And I guess many more questions would arise.... You can do stuff like that in a small closed group, like the preproduction unit I tested, that had several known bugs, e.g. some antennas not implemented, But it should never be sold as a real unit even with a discoun

I haven't heard that should influence anything on the assignment (though of course on the delivery for the US where first batch was returned by their government's customs) But qwertY versus qwertZ could matter, as we do not know the fraction of each version produced versus the fraction in the orders. A long time ago they indicated that the qwertZ orders were so few, that they might be produced as one chunk. But for some reason or other they did not do so after all. (we know there were both types delivered in the small first batch).

So we need to spread that info for those that sees adups as a show-stopper. 😉

Too bad. But remember it is not your order number but when you actually paid that matters. Some paid within minutes, and some took days or weeks (some had troubles with credit card companies, so not their own fault)

To the last unfortunately yes. There have been posts here recently on that, and I believe it is not only late payers. And agree on the first parts. As I understand it, it is very important for them not to deliver a so-so quality device, so rather than just sending out the devices with this minor defect, they withheld them. Of course very annoying for those most in need of a new device NOW, but I think in the long run it is the right decision to not send out stuff in a lesser quality than what they want their name to be associated with. A new brand is very sensible to critique, so just a f

You do not even need root access to disable it, try disable by ADB, so not a big deal it is part of the ROM if you want to avoid it. ...Unless you distrust Android disable to work too of course...

Well you know "Don't wake a sleeping bear". IMHO suggesting people a new Christmas wallpaper for a device most had expected to have long before Christmas, is not the most clever idea..... There are replies along these lines, so I'm not alone in combining the two.

Indeed, and let us hope the last mail they sent is a start of a new trend explaining more.

But it is rather confusing the whole thing for sure. The order numbers reflects the time the order was put, And this affected when emails requesting payment were sent. And the reception of payment gives the queue position. (So the order numbers are not unimportant, as equally fast payers will end in that order) And then the IGG coupons add further to the confusion given priority among those paid.

Erhmm the order number is related to when the order is put, not when it is paid....

Yeah it is really complex, to cover the different variants, Especially with the US, Already complex without taking into account the IGG coupon (or the one that somehow went up on ebay from the US).

Yeah, A rather bold ad to post - let us hope it is not Hybris... 🤭

So now you by "whatever else" include anything unknown - I see.... In this long thread of conspiracy theories we already have had posts on the numbering, try reread the whole thread... I got (forcibly cancelled) orders separated by 2 and by 3, so it seems pretty likely to me that every number was reserved/allocated, But how many have ended up in actual orders is another story, and part of the guessing game in here.

There are several out there, and of different types. See the thread on screen protectors(!) and have a look at ebay and/or aliexpress. I'm currently using these ones

You did see the "e.g.", right? I have NO idea of all scenarios what would make the system skip a number, just gave an EXAMPLE on what most likely would, but that is not the same as this being the only thing... 🙄

I have used the method on other devices, so would almost certainly work here as well.

Most likely allocated sequentially, but not all actually used. e.g. if some put it on the shopping cart, to see if there were some extra fees, and then cancelled.

There is a nice app, that now supports the Pro1 keyboard. FinQwerty improving the functionality. I have used test-versions of it for months for both QWERTY and QWERTZ, and it works just great! See the current layouts here http://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/#pro1, here a few examples It is (currently) especially great for those that wants to use the physical QWERTZ for standard US or for Scandinavian languages on either QWERTZ or QWERTY UPDATE: The authour @Anssi Hannula has added more layouts, including Czech, US-International, and improved version of