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Also, it was clear in the email of July 31st telling us that it was time to pay that the above was no longer in force. "We are beginning the manufacturing in the next few weeks with estimated first shipping to pre-order customers during the 2nd week of September." Thus, before you paid you were told it would be at least 6 weeks and that was only an estimate.

This is actually a well-reasoned analysis. I would add the possibility of one other factor-- that the second and future batches might go faster simply because many logistics procedures and problems were worked through with the first batch. So, having seen the product already, customs might be smoother, the logistics in shipping to warehouses has been ironed out, etc. Like most things, guesses on my part. I don't know that that is true and I don't have enough experience in logistics to know for sure. Just a thought.

You conveniently left off, from the same message: " *Should happen but not definitely, if not then Thursday" It's noon Wed where I am. Let's wait and see. Sheesh. 🙄

To be honest, when I was talking about that, I wasn't referring to you specifically (and I'll admit that wasn't clear) but to the thread in general, though I'm not sure it isn't beginning to apply to you now. 😉

No one said they shouldn't be criticized. But the same people repeating the same criticisms over and over begins to border on Troll behavior. We got it the first time. 🙄 I'm still here. I'm still excited about my Pro 1. I don't feel betrayed, lied to, or even misled. I trust Chen to come through in the end. The communication is bad, but it isn't going to get fixed right now. And, oh, by the way, I find nothing weird or misleading about it taking a little over 2 weeks to get from shipping from a Chinese factory to getting a tracking number from a logistics hub since the tracking

I think the point is, yes they are not (a properly set up manufacturing process) and yes, they did (underestimate what was involved in manufacturing). I think this is a small group of engineers with corporate titles who overestimated how smoothly things would go with third parties for whom they are low priority. I bet they are way more frustrated than we are. But they are also, thankfully, dedicated to seeing it through.

The best information we have is that the first batch (a small batch) was sent from the factory last week and was going through customs in the US/EU (not sure bout HK) and that we should expect tracking numbers (those of us who received emails confirming we were in the first batch) this week. The second batch (much larger) is being manufactured and is expected to ship from the factory probably the week of the Nov 18th (that is a guess, not based on firm data). Presumably, emails will go out to the folks the second batch goes to. The first batch covers some but not all former IGG Backe

Actually, I believe that tweet was for comments being made elsewhere—Telegram, IIRC, but I could be wrong. He does post here, as Waxberry I believe. I doubt he has a lot of time to spend here these days. If he does read here, hopefully he remains aware of the rule of forums. People tend to post most when they have complaints but there are probably a lot more people who are disappointed by delays, but are happy to keep going and give them their support. Yes, their communication sucks. But their phone won't. The communication won't get fixed right now. I still trust them. B

I drink coffee black and put no cases on my phones (my front left pants pocket is the "case)." Life is so much simpler. 😉

Am I missing something? If I simply type a message into the editor and then change my mind about posting, easy peasy, I can just backspace destruct everything and go back to the forum index and everything is gone. However, if I quote someone, that quote is treated by the editor as a graphic (why?) and I have found no way to get rid of it. I have to go back to the forum index, then return to a reply box (it can b in any thread) and click on it and *then* it will finally offer me a link to clear the editor. I'd really like a clear draft/clear editor button or link always available in the

Lol. It's the same information tweeted on Nov 6th except he has added the word "confirmed." It's still progress. In what they are managing right now, with so much in the control of third parties, confirmation is key (along with function 😉 ). I predicted we wouldn't see tracking numbers before next Monday. Fingers crossed the "early" part is right.

What Erik said was: " there aren't enough units in the first batch for all of the backers. The coming second batch will cover all IGG backers + most normal pre-orders " That was, I believe, the last update he gave. Don't know what "most" means but he said they intend to start sending orders (not pre-orders) in December. (Found the neat trick of finding Erik's updates, in order, without navigating through this thread by clicking on the link to Erik's profile. 😉

I suspect if you did 5 year intervals out to 70, you'd end up with a classic positively skewed frequency distribution with most being in the 25-30 interval and the frequency dropping off slowly with older and older people. 😉

I don't believe every number in the sequence is used. They are sequential, not random, but I think there are large jumps in the numbering. I don't know how many of the 30,000 numbers aren't used, but I would find it easy to believe only 1 in 10 numbers are used.

This will be the first hardware keyboard phone I have ever owned. I always wanted one but the timing never worked out, But looking at the older keyboard phones now... Those screens were just so tiny (and, thus, the keyboard too). I will never again use a phone with less than a 5.2" screen and it would really depend on what the diagonal angle was. 5.7" to 6.0" is my sweet spot. I loved my Nexus 6P. If it had a sliding keyboard... unfortunately, it died. Not a well made phone. Lots of problems with the hardware. This is why I am sooo happy the Pro1 came along. This is going to b

I realize that I may be disqualified now from doing any more "Calm down and lets root for the team" posts 🙄, but I truly hope and expect that they will keep their promise that the second batch will follow on in short order and that batches will keep rolling. We don't know what size any batch is, but I sincerely hope all pre-orders will be handled in November. If only because my wife may want it when she sees mine and I don't want to have too wait to long for a new order once she takes mine. 😨 😂 Good luck to everyone.

Nope. Still the same as it has been. I suspect that won't change until it is actually shipped to me.

Got my email. IGG coupon and QWERTY. US.

I think some people here don't appreciate how dependent F(x) Tec are on other people at this phase, how quickly things can change and, until you are an established company, you are low priority with all of them. They are not being dishonest. All they can give us is hopeful dates because a lot is not in their control. I guarantee you, they, especially Chen are even more frustrated than we are. What I see is a small group of people who have created a great product and are doing everything to get it to us as soon as possible. And I believe that will be soon. They can fix the communication

I understand the frustration, but I don't understand the anger nor the calls (not you) for others to cancel their orders. Yes, their communication has been horrible, but they are knee deep in getting the phones out so it's not going to change. It is what it is and Erik tries with what he has to work with. Later, when all the pre-orders have been delivered and all the warehouses are stacked with phones that can be bought and immediately shipped, they must sit down and figure out how to fix it. I suspect their big problem is they are incorporated, but they are really just a room full of

Nice to occasionally take a break in this thread. I'm definitely still rooting for you folks.

I doubt you will need to ask when it happens. 😉

The Garas works great (and I prefer the length). It only has a small button protrusion, like Kashif's. Has a small blue led to show it is getting power. Charges from either computer port or wall wort, but only rapid charges from wall, of course. One thing is that the magnet is pretty strong. On my Moto G6, if I pull the cord straight back it pulls out the tip with it, but I got it because the grip of the USB-C prt on this cheap ass phone had already started to loosen even for a standard plug (I occasionally find it disconnected when I leave it to charge. I don't expect that with the Pro 1.

That had actually been my intention when I made the suggestion to create this thread in the first place-- I wanted a thread where, if we were wondering what F(X) Tec had said in an update, we could quickly look it up. 🙂

I doubt I would have used the case and probably won't use the sleeve. My front left jeans pocket is my sleeve (is that a Pro 1 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me 😉). Going back to my Palm PDAs, I have never used screen protectors and only used cases when a phone was crazy slick. That was my Nexus 6p, where I used a bumper only until it's battery got sketchy and then I used a battery case, and my interim phone, a Moto G6, has a thin TPU case as it can barely be held without one. I hate cases and I don't think the Pro 1 will be slick. I think a bumper that wraps the base but doesn