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I have been playing with chroot on the Pro¹ lately, extremely happy with it, even though it is still rough around the edges. Even my N900 never felt so close to an actual pocketable computer. Therefore, moar pics. I typed this post and uploaded images using the Pro¹. cmus (not affected by SFOS volume, but it has its own volume settings anyway): cmus and nnn file manager side by side, I really appreciate tiling since SFOS does not allow that: And an additional tile for another tool: Some random programs in different terminals in Tilix and the sidebar showing c

Yes exactly! That is the point! We are concluding on assumptions. Some seem to assume they are crooks and deduce from that, I assume they are honest and deduce from that (as a Dane I'm a little handicapped here, we generally trust people unless we see they do things that proves they were not worhty of our trust). Nor I nor they can prove or disprove the point of view with the information we got. It is like arguing between religions - totally fruitless.

I don't feel the situation as bad as @Gon009 feels. Personally, I have learned these button placements. I agree fingerprint sensor could have been placed a bit higher as I have also touched it occasionally but otherwise I can find convenient positions of my fingers to use it, so it may not be a huge problem. However, it still has bugs in software like forgetting fingerprint settings after reboot. For me, it is a really good device. Performance-wise it is very good, keyboard is awesome, and the image quality of the screen is brilliant, GPS reception is perfect (better than on my prev

My phone is from clove.co.uk too, have try to lift screen now with nails on each edge and all corners - now, i can't, and there isn't any gaps, looks like monolith element with case, despite the fact that my device already was disassemlbed in the phone service some days ago.

Well, @silversolver, you are probably gonna hate what I'm about to say. The reason why I want a refund is that I already own it. I'm writing this on the Pro1 and I'm very happy with it. I got it on DragonBox. I kinda feel bad for skipping in queue but I also absolutely love the device. I'm just worried because I got a very fast answer when I first contacted suppot and now it's silent.

This is definitely not by design, impossible on my unit, the whole edge of the glass is supposed to be recessed. I think the screen is even supposed to be glued (not strongly but enough to dustproof) on the edge. I think you should contact support to get it repaired or replaced.

Then you should be aware of the differences between that and a company like F(x)tec. Differences which substantiate different judgements about delays for both, the perhaps most obvious being one sounds more like B2B and the other is B2C. If you cannot see that for yourself, or what such differences actually mean, I wish you good luck with your small company, which you then might need more than you might like. P.S.: I would have ordered the Pro¹ for the price they were asking even if it would have come with the Snapdragon 636 I've currently got in my Moto Z3 Play, which is already more tha

Yes, indeed. And you knew that when you pre-ordered, didn't you? No-one forced you to. You could have just waited until GA. In constitutional states the general principle is to give the accused the benefit of doubt (in dubio pro reo), as long as there is no evidence against them. One of my most important IT forums which is, all in all, moderated liberally, has a general rule, though, of not allowing an accusation of lie at all. That's on the simple grounds that it is significantly harder to tell whether something was deliberate than to know, subsequently, that something turned o

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I don't find it amusing at all. The Titan is a "simple" form factor. The Pro1 involves more construction than that slab, so I'm not surprised the Titan is in the wild faster than the Pro1...

You do realize this also works the other way around, right? There's no proof that they weren't lies, and it practically can't be proven nor disproven since that would require in-depth internal information on the production status and such which they're very unlikely to share. The assumption in that case is that F(x)tec isn't lying, but there's proof of that for some of these individual statements. Sure there are previous situations in which they were truthful and honest, like offering refunds when the keyboard mod crowdfund didn't go according to plan, but that's not proof that these individua

Please note that I'm independent, so don't blame F(x)tec for anything I write.

That is not possible. If it were, anyone could do the same and it would defeat the purpose of verification. Only the OEM has the signing key and only the OEM can create signed images to pass verified boot. As mentioned, yes, some of the IdeaLTE bits/blobs are used to build Lineage. But only those necessary to support the hardware. In general, OEMs that do stupid and/or sneaky things place them into the upper layers of Android which Lineage does not use. Briefly, code running on Qualcomm devices (and most/all Android devices) can be divided into four broad

Idk, it looks fine on my end

I've always said that the curved screen was a mistake, but it may have been inevitable; my understanding is that they couldn't find a supplier for anything else since that is the current fashion trend (and yes, it is all about fashion.) I despise working in portrait. This is why I don't daily drive a pristine and perfectly-functioning PRIV I own. I still use a Droid 4 as my daily driver. I bought the PRIV to replace it, but couldn't accept the portrait keyboard. I work in landscape almost exclusively. I take the phone out of my pocket and open the keyboard almost 100% of the time unless i

The keyboard of Pro1 itself is great but suffers currently from software issues that are being worked on. Once they fix it it will be a mile better than virtual one. Also it takes a lot of time to learn to use it properly. The performance is also great. The phone looks great with opened keyboard but as soon as I close it I feel like the "magic" goes away. I used Samsung mid-range phones before and I hated their performance and planned obsolescence but now I see that they were much more comfortable to use in portrait than Pro1... not because of size but because of button placement, every button

I did not mention letter shifted qwerty being a flaw at all. The wobble is in closed position at the bottom of the phone, it wobbles from the left to right making sounds when it moves. I asked people here about that and so far nobody else had the same issue. By "right side buttons" I meant volume, power and fingerprint sensor. Not the keyboard. I feel like you completely didn't understand my previous post. Where did I want a PC with phone capabilities? I wanted a smartphone with keyboard and issues I mentioned happen in portrait mode. The phone is annoying to use in portrait,

I think you are spot on, on our current needs for the large majority (if not all) of us interested in the Pro1. BUT if there will not be a Pro2 in a couple of years, then the Pro1 might have to last for ten years, and if so we would like it as 'modern' as possible to last usable as long as possible.

As of comments previously in the thread, they just started retail sales before serving the pre orders... And there is nothing "flawed" in the Pro1 design. It would be just as silly at to claim that it is a "flaw" of the Titan that you need to open it to use the display.. To be fair the Pro1 just targets a user group that want a phone with a keyboard and not an ultra portable pc with phone capabilities. Different target groups, though with overlap. No need to bash either. And @michael.bosscha I would not call the hinge of the Titan simpler, just more traditional. Actually I think it i

The problem with Pro1 is that most design flaws are not related to being a slider. Bad placement of right side buttons(the worst I've seen in any smartphone), bad camera button(the worst I've seen in any phone, there's no press feeling between "focus" and "make photo" stages), loose sim tray that makes sounds, curved screen that in my case I can lift with nails at the sides and only one flaw that the Pro1 has because of being a slider, the wobble on the bottom of my unit, is there because the bottom part of the phone lacks the second support like the top part. It can't be fixed with simple sof

This doesn't look right to me for what I can tell from the photo there seems to be a gap between the screen and the part it is attached to. There is definitely no gap where dust could get in on mine, I would advice to contact support about this.

UR behind the times 😪 this was mentioned yesterday: And already given a credible response: On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:41 AM, Artemis-kun said: The thing with Unihertz is they are a Chinese company based in Shanghai, so of course they get automatic priority over any other companies looking to do business in China....

Well this describes sort of in the core of any conspiracy theory or religion. An unfounded claim that can neither be proven nor disproven. So many logical deductions start with an assumption, that people tend to forget the assumption was there. You even see this in what is seen as science. You build a logical self-consistent structure, but forget that it is based on assumptions. Astronomy is a clear example, forgetting that they got several basic assumptions. e.g. "constants of nature", assuming that these are really constant over the entire universe, and in all its lifespan. Some religio

@tdm Thank you so much for the information you're posting here, it's very interesting. I do have a question about the "firmware" though, some people say that custom ROMs will lack the firmware updates that official (still supported) ROMs have, and thus can be less secure in that way. Are they talking about what you're calling the "vendor bits" for hardware support? And how out of date could these be for this ROM or LineageOS for the Pro1?

This fallacy again huh. I already did, what's your point? That apparently it's okay to slip dates by half a year? That delays are bound to happen? That communication like this is the only way things can go? Getting real tired of this. And that means this time you're guaranteed to get it? This is a startup, and there are risks involved. It's absolutely possible that they'll not deliver all devices, though I hope F(x)tec will prosper obviously. It's not a "hoax", that would imply they planned to never deliver and just run with the money. They've already delivered (a small number

That's correct, it is a separate issue in the same driver. The latest version of the driver I have is merged with those changes also. (I may have stated otherwise in the past due to not realizing merging with newer driver from stock inadvertently to me also fixed the crashes.)

My imagination is better than patience. I am a software and hardwear engineer. Also a co-founder of a small company that produces equipment for aviation. Believe me, no one would ever contact my company if I had promised one delivery time, but I would have done another time. This is not serious. And do not forget gentlemen, while we are waiting here, our phone is "aging" snapdragon 835 - a chip that is almost 3 years old. I do not want to water anyone with dirt, I sincerely hoped to get my device in 4-6 weeks.

This reeks of a TCL NDA that prevents others from finding out about the thing no one was supposed to know about!!1!!1111!1!!11 /silliness

Thanks @tdm for this build, this is awesome. My only question is, in the absense of OTA, how feasible is it to create updated builds? And I presume there'd be no data loss on upgrade, like updating LOS? I noticed that last week when I did my first LOS build for my Droid 4, Android security patch level is "5 December 2019".

Well, this looks promising... tommy@neuron:~$ echo x > foo tommy@neuron:~$ fastboot flash avb_custom_key foo target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes sending 'avb_custom_key' (0 KB)... OKAY [ 0.009s] writing 'avb_custom_key'... OKAY [ 0.003s] finished. total time: 0.011s tommy@neuron:~$ fastboot erase avb_custom_key erasing 'avb_custom_key'... OKAY [ 0.003s] finished. total time: 0.003s tommy@neuron:~$

The original driver may indeed miss keypresses if you type fast, I tested similarly typing "fjfjfjfjfjfjfjfj" and similar sequences fast and it would give something the likes of "fjfjffjffjjfj". Currently all I can provide is a boot+vendor image that require a factory reset to be installed and break OTA but fix this issue (if you need it let me know, i haven't written proper instructions down as of yet and it's sorta confusing), but soon an OTA update should come that fixes this. [edit] Note that if I am not mistaken this happens in the relatively rare situation where the driver is still

(Calm down, it's just a meme)

I hope this device isn't all just one huge hoax … with delays upon delays and the lack of information regarding the delays makes me think it is... but with that said I'm still waiting. I wont ask for a refund just yet … I know it's coming .... shortly

Yeah I cannot believe how people can be upset after being repeatedly baited for 6 months straight. Even worse, they dare to have some doubt about statements when others have not turned out to be true before! Shame on them! If we're having a patience contest here, I have a Pyra pre-pre-order from October 2015. It's all about how it's handled.

Page load really is quick, much faster than with the Sailfish Browser, and it can handle up to ten tabs with no memory issue. Scrolling is fast, sometimes too fast, you have to be more gentle than with a mobile browser. Most of all, the video shows that I can operate tabs and navigation just from the keyboard (new tabs, close tabs, focus address field, reopen tabs, switch tabs, previous/next), which not only feels great, but also is very efficient and faster than anything else I could imagine on a phone. Coming back to the Sailfish Browser really feels painful just when I need to open a tab or

If you paid with a credit card, you usually have a certain period of time revoking the payment so I'd kindly ask them again to please return the money and tell them they have e.g. 2 weeks to do so (set a certain amount of time). If nothing has happened by then, just ask your credit card provider to take the money back because of an undelivered product.

Thanks for the detailed thoughts. I'm still lurking the forum trying to decide whether to get one once they reach retail availability, and it's good to see thoughtful feedback, positive or negative. Right now I don't know if I still want a Pro1. My phone is an important communication tool and my de facto primary computing device. Virtual keyboards suck so I do want a physical keyboard, but not at the expense of the rest of the device's functionality. I'd rather have a good phone and put up with a virtual keyboard, than have a keyboard on a bad phone. I await with interest what happens in

Hold up, edgy boy. Pro1 is not any "genius" work and you talk about it like Fxtec is some kind of world savior or god emperor and everyone who doesn't follow your Fxtec religion is worthless. I just wanted a $720 phone that is perfectly usable. If you think that posting flaws and telling what is wrong with the phone is a bad thing then you are just a fanatic.

Different launchers will handle the landscape/portrait shift differently. So you might be better of selecting a quadratic paper where the two crops will be suitable for your launcher. Some I have tried make the crops like a rotated T, or an up side down L

FxTec does not build anything. Chen only distributes what FxTec gets from IdeaLTE. EDIT: And further, I know that FxTec does not have the device signing keys. So if they did build something, it wouldn't boot with a locked boot loader.

Yeah @EskeRahn and I are discussing why I'm having such issues with my Priv, wrong orientation of keyboard aside heh 😛 I'm beginning to suspect it may be a regional issue for me, as I know the Priv varied hardware-wise by region, and even the software builds are different by region. You'd think living in Canada, I'd have the best possible chance at having the best possible version of a BlackBerry product, but who knows lol. Given not being able to put my own, clean versions of Android on it, or having another identical piece of hardware to rule out hardware problems, I'm not sure what els

How about they are swamped trying to get folks their Pro1s and web work on the site is low priority. As always, I understand the frustration and disappointment. I don't understand personal attacks on folks who are clearly working hard to get out devices which, most who receive them agree, are what they promised to produce... a high quality horizontal keyboard slider.

I agree completely with this idea, and I believe it shouldn't be impossible to be implemented in Android as it stands now. Once I get a Pro1 myself and start looking into customizing things, I'll keep this in mind, unless Fxtec notices this suggestion and implements it themselves first *nudgenudgewinkwink*

Amen, and feel free to call out things as needed, I know I can be a bit heavy handed at times with some of my points. I just say what's on my mind, and with having a bit of experience professionally with this sort of thing, I know all too well exactly what Fxtec is going through, and I admit that can give my comments a sense of elitism. More on the topic, they're excited to deliver an amazing product they are clearly extremely passionate about, so a lot of what they've said and done makes sense when viewed in that manner. Who doesn't like sharing every bit of info they can when excited,

@Artemis-kun – I agree with virtually all of what you said (and appreciate your saying it) so far. Just two remarks to minor points: While that would surely help getting an understanding that could prevent most of the rants, it sounds a bit like "do not criticize if you can't do it better yourself", which wouldn't really be an acceptable argument... Oh, there are many other reasons for that. And I guess we shouldn't overestimate the importance and the potency of just a handful of complainants, even though they're particularly loud and persevering. And after all, it's like every

You guys must be living on another planet, the cosmo updates are light years ahead of fxtec's abysmal communication: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator#/updates/all They have delivered over 3500 cosmos, whereas fxtec regularly promises that "all pre-orders will be shipped by X" and doesn't even ship much stock at all. You remember when Erik wrote mid november that all is on track for completing all pre orders by christmas with surplus stock? Do you realize now that they hadn't even STARTED producing 3/10th of the stock at that time (since we are told that this batch was

Oh do not get me wrong, it is not that the layouts are totally wrong, they are just generic android layouts not suited for the Pro1. e.g. the A-Z and 0-9 are OK for the languages based on QWERTY, matching the letter shifted qwerty print. But the rest is a bit random e.g. you can not get neither ? nor / in any way with neither proper English or US English selected.

Yes, I experienced something similar. If you start with the 3.2.0.12 release then zypper update, you'll loose mobile data/sim cards. The fix is to update to 3.2.1.20 right away, following these steps (recommended by TheKit): devel-su ssu re 3.2.1.20 version --dup dd if=/boot/hybris-boot.img of=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/boot_a sed -e "s/return allowed/return Orientation.All/" -i /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml

It continues to amaze me how much time people seem to have on their hands around this thread. I actually don't fault Fxtec for the radio silence; every time they give the slightest hint of info, the wolves come lurking. Maybe try your hand at designing and manufacturing yourselves, then come back and play.

The aim is to ship the stock to our EU and US (if we re-establish a US warehouse by then) warehouses, or directly to customers before the Chinese New Year, as after that both the factory and the 1st logistics hub in HK will be off for a while. The Chinese New Year starts on the 25th of January, so some of you will have their devices before the end of January. Others, perhaps those in Europe, will have their stock assignment before the end of January only, and delivery by 1-3 February, at least to my projection.