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I have been playing with chroot on the Pro¹ lately, extremely happy with it, even though it is still rough around the edges. Even my N900 never felt so close to an actual pocketable computer. Therefore, moar pics. I typed this post and uploaded images using the Pro¹. cmus (not affected by SFOS volume, but it has its own volume settings anyway): cmus and nnn file manager side by side, I really appreciate tiling since SFOS does not allow that: And an additional tile for another tool: Some random programs in different terminals in Tilix and the sidebar showing c

Yes exactly! That is the point! We are concluding on assumptions. Some seem to assume they are crooks and deduce from that, I assume they are honest and deduce from that (as a Dane I'm a little handicapped here, we generally trust people unless we see they do things that proves they were not worhty of our trust). Nor I nor they can prove or disprove the point of view with the information we got. It is like arguing between religions - totally fruitless.

I don't feel the situation as bad as @Gon009 feels. Personally, I have learned these button placements. I agree fingerprint sensor could have been placed a bit higher as I have also touched it occasionally but otherwise I can find convenient positions of my fingers to use it, so it may not be a huge problem. However, it still has bugs in software like forgetting fingerprint settings after reboot. For me, it is a really good device. Performance-wise it is very good, keyboard is awesome, and the image quality of the screen is brilliant, GPS reception is perfect (better than on my prev

My phone is from clove.co.uk too, have try to lift screen now with nails on each edge and all corners - now, i can't, and there isn't any gaps, looks like monolith element with case, despite the fact that my device already was disassemlbed in the phone service some days ago.

Well, @silversolver, you are probably gonna hate what I'm about to say. The reason why I want a refund is that I already own it. I'm writing this on the Pro1 and I'm very happy with it. I got it on DragonBox. I kinda feel bad for skipping in queue but I also absolutely love the device. I'm just worried because I got a very fast answer when I first contacted suppot and now it's silent.

This is definitely not by design, impossible on my unit, the whole edge of the glass is supposed to be recessed. I think the screen is even supposed to be glued (not strongly but enough to dustproof) on the edge. I think you should contact support to get it repaired or replaced.

Then you should be aware of the differences between that and a company like F(x)tec. Differences which substantiate different judgements about delays for both, the perhaps most obvious being one sounds more like B2B and the other is B2C. If you cannot see that for yourself, or what such differences actually mean, I wish you good luck with your small company, which you then might need more than you might like. P.S.: I would have ordered the Pro¹ for the price they were asking even if it would have come with the Snapdragon 636 I've currently got in my Moto Z3 Play, which is already more tha

Yes, indeed. And you knew that when you pre-ordered, didn't you? No-one forced you to. You could have just waited until GA. In constitutional states the general principle is to give the accused the benefit of doubt (in dubio pro reo), as long as there is no evidence against them. One of my most important IT forums which is, all in all, moderated liberally, has a general rule, though, of not allowing an accusation of lie at all. That's on the simple grounds that it is significantly harder to tell whether something was deliberate than to know, subsequently, that something turned o

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I don't find it amusing at all. The Titan is a "simple" form factor. The Pro1 involves more construction than that slab, so I'm not surprised the Titan is in the wild faster than the Pro1...

You do realize this also works the other way around, right? There's no proof that they weren't lies, and it practically can't be proven nor disproven since that would require in-depth internal information on the production status and such which they're very unlikely to share. The assumption in that case is that F(x)tec isn't lying, but there's proof of that for some of these individual statements. Sure there are previous situations in which they were truthful and honest, like offering refunds when the keyboard mod crowdfund didn't go according to plan, but that's not proof that these individua

Please note that I'm independent, so don't blame F(x)tec for anything I write.

That is not possible. If it were, anyone could do the same and it would defeat the purpose of verification. Only the OEM has the signing key and only the OEM can create signed images to pass verified boot. As mentioned, yes, some of the IdeaLTE bits/blobs are used to build Lineage. But only those necessary to support the hardware. In general, OEMs that do stupid and/or sneaky things place them into the upper layers of Android which Lineage does not use. Briefly, code running on Qualcomm devices (and most/all Android devices) can be divided into four broad

Idk, it looks fine on my end

I've always said that the curved screen was a mistake, but it may have been inevitable; my understanding is that they couldn't find a supplier for anything else since that is the current fashion trend (and yes, it is all about fashion.) I despise working in portrait. This is why I don't daily drive a pristine and perfectly-functioning PRIV I own. I still use a Droid 4 as my daily driver. I bought the PRIV to replace it, but couldn't accept the portrait keyboard. I work in landscape almost exclusively. I take the phone out of my pocket and open the keyboard almost 100% of the time unless i

The keyboard of Pro1 itself is great but suffers currently from software issues that are being worked on. Once they fix it it will be a mile better than virtual one. Also it takes a lot of time to learn to use it properly. The performance is also great. The phone looks great with opened keyboard but as soon as I close it I feel like the "magic" goes away. I used Samsung mid-range phones before and I hated their performance and planned obsolescence but now I see that they were much more comfortable to use in portrait than Pro1... not because of size but because of button placement, every button

I did not mention letter shifted qwerty being a flaw at all. The wobble is in closed position at the bottom of the phone, it wobbles from the left to right making sounds when it moves. I asked people here about that and so far nobody else had the same issue. By "right side buttons" I meant volume, power and fingerprint sensor. Not the keyboard. I feel like you completely didn't understand my previous post. Where did I want a PC with phone capabilities? I wanted a smartphone with keyboard and issues I mentioned happen in portrait mode. The phone is annoying to use in portrait,

I think you are spot on, on our current needs for the large majority (if not all) of us interested in the Pro1. BUT if there will not be a Pro2 in a couple of years, then the Pro1 might have to last for ten years, and if so we would like it as 'modern' as possible to last usable as long as possible.

As of comments previously in the thread, they just started retail sales before serving the pre orders... And there is nothing "flawed" in the Pro1 design. It would be just as silly at to claim that it is a "flaw" of the Titan that you need to open it to use the display.. To be fair the Pro1 just targets a user group that want a phone with a keyboard and not an ultra portable pc with phone capabilities. Different target groups, though with overlap. No need to bash either. And @michael.bosscha I would not call the hinge of the Titan simpler, just more traditional. Actually I think it i

The problem with Pro1 is that most design flaws are not related to being a slider. Bad placement of right side buttons(the worst I've seen in any smartphone), bad camera button(the worst I've seen in any phone, there's no press feeling between "focus" and "make photo" stages), loose sim tray that makes sounds, curved screen that in my case I can lift with nails at the sides and only one flaw that the Pro1 has because of being a slider, the wobble on the bottom of my unit, is there because the bottom part of the phone lacks the second support like the top part. It can't be fixed with simple sof

This doesn't look right to me for what I can tell from the photo there seems to be a gap between the screen and the part it is attached to. There is definitely no gap where dust could get in on mine, I would advice to contact support about this.

UR behind the times 😪 this was mentioned yesterday: And already given a credible response: On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:41 AM, Artemis-kun said: The thing with Unihertz is they are a Chinese company based in Shanghai, so of course they get automatic priority over any other companies looking to do business in China....

Well this describes sort of in the core of any conspiracy theory or religion. An unfounded claim that can neither be proven nor disproven. So many logical deductions start with an assumption, that people tend to forget the assumption was there. You even see this in what is seen as science. You build a logical self-consistent structure, but forget that it is based on assumptions. Astronomy is a clear example, forgetting that they got several basic assumptions. e.g. "constants of nature", assuming that these are really constant over the entire universe, and in all its lifespan. Some religio

@tdm Thank you so much for the information you're posting here, it's very interesting. I do have a question about the "firmware" though, some people say that custom ROMs will lack the firmware updates that official (still supported) ROMs have, and thus can be less secure in that way. Are they talking about what you're calling the "vendor bits" for hardware support? And how out of date could these be for this ROM or LineageOS for the Pro1?

This fallacy again huh. I already did, what's your point? That apparently it's okay to slip dates by half a year? That delays are bound to happen? That communication like this is the only way things can go? Getting real tired of this. And that means this time you're guaranteed to get it? This is a startup, and there are risks involved. It's absolutely possible that they'll not deliver all devices, though I hope F(x)tec will prosper obviously. It's not a "hoax", that would imply they planned to never deliver and just run with the money. They've already delivered (a small number

That's correct, it is a separate issue in the same driver. The latest version of the driver I have is merged with those changes also. (I may have stated otherwise in the past due to not realizing merging with newer driver from stock inadvertently to me also fixed the crashes.)

My imagination is better than patience. I am a software and hardwear engineer. Also a co-founder of a small company that produces equipment for aviation. Believe me, no one would ever contact my company if I had promised one delivery time, but I would have done another time. This is not serious. And do not forget gentlemen, while we are waiting here, our phone is "aging" snapdragon 835 - a chip that is almost 3 years old. I do not want to water anyone with dirt, I sincerely hoped to get my device in 4-6 weeks.

This reeks of a TCL NDA that prevents others from finding out about the thing no one was supposed to know about!!1!!1111!1!!11 /silliness

Thanks @tdm for this build, this is awesome. My only question is, in the absense of OTA, how feasible is it to create updated builds? And I presume there'd be no data loss on upgrade, like updating LOS? I noticed that last week when I did my first LOS build for my Droid 4, Android security patch level is "5 December 2019".

Well, this looks promising... tommy@neuron:~$ echo x > foo tommy@neuron:~$ fastboot flash avb_custom_key foo target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes sending 'avb_custom_key' (0 KB)... OKAY [ 0.009s] writing 'avb_custom_key'... OKAY [ 0.003s] finished. total time: 0.011s tommy@neuron:~$ fastboot erase avb_custom_key erasing 'avb_custom_key'... OKAY [ 0.003s] finished. total time: 0.003s tommy@neuron:~$

The original driver may indeed miss keypresses if you type fast, I tested similarly typing "fjfjfjfjfjfjfjfj" and similar sequences fast and it would give something the likes of "fjfjffjffjjfj". Currently all I can provide is a boot+vendor image that require a factory reset to be installed and break OTA but fix this issue (if you need it let me know, i haven't written proper instructions down as of yet and it's sorta confusing), but soon an OTA update should come that fixes this. [edit] Note that if I am not mistaken this happens in the relatively rare situation where the driver is still

(Calm down, it's just a meme)

I hope this device isn't all just one huge hoax … with delays upon delays and the lack of information regarding the delays makes me think it is... but with that said I'm still waiting. I wont ask for a refund just yet … I know it's coming .... shortly

Yeah I cannot believe how people can be upset after being repeatedly baited for 6 months straight. Even worse, they dare to have some doubt about statements when others have not turned out to be true before! Shame on them! If we're having a patience contest here, I have a Pyra pre-pre-order from October 2015. It's all about how it's handled.

Page load really is quick, much faster than with the Sailfish Browser, and it can handle up to ten tabs with no memory issue. Scrolling is fast, sometimes too fast, you have to be more gentle than with a mobile browser. Most of all, the video shows that I can operate tabs and navigation just from the keyboard (new tabs, close tabs, focus address field, reopen tabs, switch tabs, previous/next), which not only feels great, but also is very efficient and faster than anything else I could imagine on a phone. Coming back to the Sailfish Browser really feels painful just when I need to open a tab or

Basically, its camera is good for my needs. It can take very good photos in daylight. I have not noticed the strange blur then sharpen type noise filtering scheme which can be found in the software of several phones. However, it has some noise filtering settings which I have not experienced with. In darker environment, it may be a bit noisy, I don't know what filter algorithm do with it or what other phones do in the same situation. Which is important for me is I can also take photos of subjects in the closer range - it can set focus very precisely. For example, I could ta

As far as I know, they changed the site once in july/august and then in november (with the current information). It was wrong all the time but they always expected shipping to happen in the next four weeks. That's at least what they told us. If they were smart, they'd have deactivated it completely and offered a newsletter with information when it's out.

I'm still using one as a daily driver and I'm not alone. :) EDIT: I misread that. My daily driver is a Droid 4. It is 8 years old. I do still have a Droid 1 and used a (different) Droid 1 as a daily driver until 2014 (when it was 6 years old) and continued to use another one for non-phone tasks until 2016 (when it was 8 years old.) I still have a Droid 1 serving alarm clock duty right now. It's now 12 years old and still works. Ish. :)

I have stopped caring, and at this point, I wouldn't blame Fxtec for doing the same. This world doesn't deserve to benefit from genius any longer. Welcome to the Idiocracy.

I've found that if you use a 1080x2160 wallpaper the background is static while in portrait. Rotate the phone to landscape and the background is automatically cropped to fit the landscape width and remains static. But if you use a PC desktop size image of say W:1920x H:1080 the background is resized vertically and spanned across the number of home screens that you have, thus creating a parallax effect as you swipe screens. In landscape it's cropped to fit the width so you lose some of the image top and bottom.

That's what I'm thinking, as that's the exact spot where the manual rotation icon flashes up if auto-rotate is turned off. I have 4 screens active and it actually appears on each one.

I have also experienced some missing characters when I wrote messages on my Pro1. I thought I may not pressed those buttons well but I also knew they had "clacked" so the problem exists. So that case they may have modified the original keyboards driver to handle loosing keyboard problem and not the improved one? ...or is it in another part of the kernel? ...at least it seems improved keyboard driver still not ported back to Pro1's stock kernel.

Well, what do you know ... the qcom bootloader in the bsp does reference avb_custom_key. I'll have to dig more to see if it's actually enabled and usable. Thanks!

Well well well.. As I already said, I am sad. Again. I have expected some official statement today.. shame nobody cares about us at all. Literally not at all.... :-(

Then shift doesn't even work right. It's a poorly implemented hack of a method. No other keyboard phone requires this. It's the #1 worst thing about this phone.

Yeah, it was an accident. It was left in a pocket. I can't even blame my wife for it.....I was doing my own laundry because I was away from home at the time. LOL. I was using it as just an old thing for watching videos with Android 4.1 hacked onto it, but one of the guys who worked for me borrowed it to use as a phone AFTER it was washed. The only thing that didn't work was the microphone, so he used it with a bluetooth headset. This was in 2016. Good times. :)

Sorry, I'm a bit slow on some of these things. If I want to proceed now to root my phone with (currently) the 06JAN2020 OTA, I would install Magisk Manager, reboot, go into Magisk Manager and install Magisk? And what do I ask it to do when it installs to created the modified boot image? Will it use the boot image already have and create a backup? The instructions for updating with new OTA and retaining root seem clear, but having previously used the instructions in the OP, I'm not clear on how to do the original rooting anymore. Most instructions I find out on the webs seem to assume

We should just not forget that this is an insanely hard task to develop HW like this. And you are the bottom of the pond: 1. Prio: Chinese companies 2. Prio: Big companies 3. Prio: Small contracts which are ordered spontanious 4. Prio: These weird british startup So if something goes wrong like protests and stuff, you are fucked! P.S. I am sorry for you, hope you will get your Cosmo soon. But is is inferior to the all mighty prawn anyway 😄

Just to cheer you up - Cosmo Communicator did their IGG campaign in November 2018. First shipping was expected in May 2019, They actually started shipping at the end of November. I'm backer 4xx and still waiting. Meanwhile people ordered this December on their own site started receiving their orders around New Year. 🙂

I honestly understand everybody who has lost trust and did cancel their order. I wouldn't have done that but I can understand it. But demanding stuff and demotivate the staff I can't understand. It will not help. Yes they are not the best with communications. Yes this whole project did not go down as planned. So place constructive critic no problem. Cancel your order no problem. But here a lot of people are thinking fxtec owns them some sort of personal account. You gave them 700 bucks and should be threaten with respect, but that is not enough to be allowed to let your aggression ou