enPfzr4v 239 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, david said: How do you know it was the 150th pre-order placed? Is that done by querying the API they are using in WordPress? And if you can map order number to true pre-order count, would you be able to take the highest pre-order number and find out how many phones were ordered? Yes And yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.X 19 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, david said: How do you know it was the 150th pre-order placed? Is that done by querying the API they are using in WordPress? And if you can map order number to true pre-order count, would you be able to take the highest pre-order number and find out how many phones were ordered? The API is from their WooCommerce WordPress plugin, so yes. The current highest order number is 8441X (x is a single digit but belongs to a real person so I won't share the order number.) The number of paid orders isn't possible to determine precisely because they didn't delete the canceled unpaid orders but a good guess can be made because ecommerce cart conversions are reasonably predictable. (I've been using a conversion rate of 3 in my guesses instead of the industry standard 6 because this item is pretty special.) FXtec has been asked for numbers but has not responded to those requests so I won't give out much more than to correct when people say stupid things like there are 48,000 orders because that's far from true. I've gone into specifics on my estimates in the much smaller IRC channel if you're interested in talking there and will promise not to share widely since that is pretty clearly not something FXtec wants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.X 19 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (reposting HERE in the production status thread intentionally) Hi everyone! Adding my info to the order statistics. I also received a "stock assigned" email this morning. #5400 (150th pre-order placed) Ordered: Febuary 28th 01:13:38 GMT Paid: July 31st 15:06:45 GMT Stock assigned January 20th 11:43:18 GMT County: US No IGG coupon QWERTY 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
david 929 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, B.X said: The current highest order number is 8441X (x is a single digit but belongs to a real person so I won't share the order number.) The number of paid orders isn't possible to determine precisely because they didn't delete the canceled unpaid orders but a good guess can be made because ecommerce cart conversions are reasonably predictable. (I've been using a conversion rate of 3 in my guesses instead of the industry standard 6 because this item is pretty special.) Without getting into the actual numbers for the highest order number, how does 5400 relate to 150 if you are taking every 3rd order number? 5400/3 = 1800. Or, is there really a mapping from order number to number of orders placed, and you are saying that you'll take the highest order placed and divide that by 3 to guess at the total number of paid orders? In other words, then your 150th order placed might be the 50th paid order? Edited January 20, 2020 by david Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.X 19 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, david said: Without getting into the actual numbers for the highest order number, how does 5400 relate to 150 if you are taking every 3rd order number? 5400/3 = 1800. Or, is there really a mapping from order number to number of orders placed, and you are saying that you'll take the highest order placed and divide that by 3 to guess at the total number of paid orders? In other words, then your 150th order placed might be the 50th paid order? The API allows enumerating every single order number so to reach 150, I counted the 149 valid pre-order numbers before my order 5400. The pre-order numbers don't follow any numerical pattern that I've been able to determine. Some are only a few apart, some are hundreds apart. The divide by 3 is to determine an estimate of actual paid orders from pre-orders. It's well documented that ecommerce can normally expect 1 in 6 items placed in cart (even in single item storefronts) to result in a sale, but I'm assuming that this very special item did better than that. I don't know, the 3 is an intuitive guess and nothing more. So, yes I'm guessing my order is actually the 50th paid order. Edited January 20, 2020 by B.X 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Wayne 65 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 hours ago, cmar said: Anyway. In the past months, they alway mentioned that orders will be processed by speed of payment, and now changed the criteria one week ago. Its not a new thing, From the day one they were not keeping their words. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,460 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bruce Wayne said: Its not a new thing, From the day one they were not keeping their words. Here we go again with the accusation, just wind this thread back about 100 pages or so, so we do not need to all repeat ourselves. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dreamflasher 120 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 What are your estimates (speculations) on shipping times to Europe? I asked the support, but they only responded that I received a stock assigned mail. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,460 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, dreamflasher said: What are your estimates (speculations) on shipping times to Europe? I asked the support, but they only responded that I received a stock assigned mail. As far as what I know the only relevant we got recently is this but that was quite pessimistic it seems only expecting stock assigned by the end of next week, and it seems that at the least a fair portion of those have already been emailed today. Earlier batches via warehouse took about two weeks from stock assigned to it arrived on the doorsteps in Europe. You can see some examples browsing in this, Mine took 15 days. Four days between tracking code and delivery to DK. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nighplyer32 38 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Hi I also add some Info for statistics No stock assigned yet #194xx ordered: July 5 paid: August 8 county: Germany no coupon QWERTZ Edited January 21, 2020 by Nighplyer32 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Wayne 65 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 hours ago, nanohcv said: I can't believe how this company can write on January 13th that all pre orders will be shipped in January and three days later it's only 70%? That's what I say they again never keep their words. Or another example of miss management... Becoz normal order getting delivered but not the pre-orders. Done payment on 8 Aug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
is 65 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bruce Wayne said: That's what I say they again never keep their words. Or another example of miss management... Becoz normal order getting delivered but not the pre-orders. Done payment on 8 Aug. Where do you get this info? Except for pretty small amount of what I assume were pre-ordered retail units pretty much everyone is waiting, including those who had cancelled and had to move to the back of the line. as you might have noticed, most people payed on 31-st of July, so it kiinda sticks to the rules set, except for that country-based nonsense, which no one really knows how it works anyway. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, michael.bosscha said: Stock assigned, paid August 20th by banktransfer. No IGG, QWERTY, Netherlands! You seem to be the lucky winner. Has anyone paid later than August 20? Country? Edited January 21, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeZtdevice 297 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, cmar said: You seem to be the lucky winner. Has anyone paid later than August 20? Yes, August 21, QWERTZ, no IGG, no email Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doktor Oswaldo 904 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 11 hours ago, nanohcv said: Order #235xx QWERTZ (Germany) paid on August 5th and still nothing... I can't believe how this company can write on January 13th that all pre orders will be shipped in January and three days later it's only 70%? Well they clearly stated that they PLAN to do all preorders. And maybe they are not the only company trying to get stuff out before chinese new year. So there could be reasons like the logistic company giving them a slot on a certain day. It could be a difference of 30% if they have to send the phones today or on the 25 of january, 1 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunero 215 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 hours ago, EskeRahn said: Now THAT was on purpose! Mails were sent based on order numbers to give early orders a chance to pay before LATE orders, so that part worked as planned. Too bad they didn't actually kept to it... Fingers crossed that there will be more stock assigned e-mails going out today but I am not amused so far. Pre-ordered early, paid early, but I will most likely get screwed with waiting yet another 1-1,5 month because I am from a small country. Totally fair... 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patrykgrzesiak 27 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On the optimistic side, I got my 'stock assigned' email yesterday. Let us hope that my Pro1 arrives within 2 weeks 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) On 1/16/2020 at 2:52 PM, Erik said: No no no. The formula is: 1. "Total orders of a country" is what percent of all orders? 2. Then, how many units does the country percentage equal to out of the current batch size? 3. = the number of units shipped to that particular country, based in order of when the payment was received. Whether it's a country with low interest or not, this formula keeps it fair for everyone. If it was only done in order of payments, the smaller countries may have to wait for a while, as not everyone was awake when we started accepting payments :). Obviously we don't count the Indiegogo orders, as those are all going to be complete with this batch. When Erik introduced this formula, the idea was to compensate for differences in time zone. In practice persons who paid only on 21st of August receive their phone earlier than the ones who paid on August 2nd! Congratulations to them! So it does not seem the rule was only about compensating time zone... What was it about? Edited January 21, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raksura 270 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, dreamflasher said: I just got my tracking number! Looks like they're not messing around with the postage and delivery times, that's nice to see. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stavers 9 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Pre-order - 29th August Full order - 8th September Order Number - 339XX IGG - No Country - UK No stock assigned email which, looking at order dates from other countries that do have assignemnt, is hardly surprising. I was holding out a tiny sliver of hope that a pre-order from almost 5 months ago wouldn't fall in to the "recent" pre-order category that wouldn't make shipment. On that logic, a ~7 month old pre-order from the end of July is "ancient" and a ~5 month old one is recent 🙂 I was certainly hoping that I would be included as my Priv is becoming a bit unreliable - even with a brand new battery fitted. The only thing that has meant I have kept my pre-order is that the processor on the Cosmo is not much better than the Priv! If it was a newer one I have a feeling I would have long ago switched alliance! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leetxyz 12 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Pre-order - 22.03.2019 Full order - 01.08.2019 Order Number - 103XX IGG - No Country - Switzerland QWERTZ No Stock assigned (yet) Edited January 21, 2020 by leetxyz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EskeRahn 5,460 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, holter said: Quote Eine für Sie bestimmte Sendung wurde heute von FedEx abgeholt. Die Zustellung ist vorgesehen für den Freitag, 24. Januar 2020. Qwertz, Germany, #11xxx, IGG Wauw, so we are talking delivery in Europe before CNY. Now that was a pleasant surprise! 😎 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ktharsia 10 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think they haven't produced enough qwertz-layout devices. Because only igg-backers have received 'stock assigned' emails for this layout yesterday. Pre-order: 06.03.2019 paid: 01.08.2019 Order Number: 80xx IGG: No Layout: QWERTZ Country: Germany No Stock assigned (yet) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muth 132 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Do you think they finished with the assignment mails ? I'm a bit sad, I have to admit. I thought I paid rather quickly, the 1st of August, few hours after mail reception. (damn it's a lot of money, better not think about it) Well, see you in a month I suppose ! 😔 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Wayne 65 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 hours ago, is said: Where do you get this info? Except for pretty small amount of what I assume were pre-ordered retail units pretty much everyone is waiting, including those who had cancelled and had to move to the back of the line. as you might have noticed, most people payed on 31-st of July, so it kiinda sticks to the rules set, except for that country-based nonsense, which no one really knows how it works anyway. Read all messages now..then at least you realiz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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