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People should remember that F(x)tec is a really small company that has brought something unique to the market. They have tried their best and I have to give credit to them. Sure, F(x)tec could do things better. Pro1 is not a perfect device and it has its issues. But in the end of the day what other options do you have if you want smartphone with keyboard? There are some alternatives but no other company has a QWERTY slider available. (Astro Slide 5G is coming of course). If you can live without keyboard then you have plenty of choices and you can skip Pro1-X. If keyboard is s must then yo

F(x)tec is using the Pro¹X as a way to introduce new keyboard layouts, but I noticed the latest proposal on IGG doesn't address the biggest issue with the original Pro¹ shifted qwerty layout (missing slash/question-mark key and the problems that causes and workarounds it necessitates), so I hope Fxtec uses this opportunity to not only un-shift but to also improve functionality, especially as alternate OS's like Linux are targeted. I would like to propose two minor changes that will make it much better and more functional: Function is key, right? Put /? and \| in standard US QW

I have quite the opposite experience with my phone. I got used to the most of the stuff that bugged me. I am quite happy with the phone. Yes if the keyboard isn't a big thing for you, you will not be able to overlook the shortcomings. But after nearly a year, I am quite used to have a keyboard again. I use it all the time as soon as I have to write more than 4 or 5 words. Yes you pay a lot for a phone which is thick heavy, has a shitty fingerprint reader and some bugs! But you get a keyboard phone which is really durable (trust me on that, I have lost it through a car window while it

That keyboard editor you linked is pretty cool... for fun I put US Intl (without shift) on so people would know what AltGr is for with that layout. But of course different layouts will result in different things so I dunno if it would be a good idea or bad idea to print us international, but I wouldn't be opposed.

I forgot to post it here because I was no longer following the forum discussions, but I guess now is a good time to show that LXC containers on SFOS made the whole desktop experience even smoother: https://youtu.be/8PnDZtKzsSc I use a tiling window manager but Xfce would work fine too, I just prefer using the keyboard over having to tap on tiny buttons. Works pretty well for a mobile device with small screen. I like the UI this way, but DPI can be adjusted for those who would want UI and fonts bigger; same in Xfce. Apologies to those who've seen it already, but I didn't take the

I think f(x)tec should offer you one phone for free, considering the time and effort you have dedicated to this forum 👍 I'm sure that many users would have lost motivation about the Pro1 project if you were not present here 🙄

Oh I certainly agree on that to an extent where it is close to being tautology. I mean this should go for ANYTHING we buy in my book. Do we need it? If so, is the benefits worth the price? Else do not buy! An individual assessment. It is very much a matter of what you want to use the device for. If you primarily do stuff tapping and swiping in the apps you use, you are unlikely to gain anything/much. If you on the other hand enters a lot of text, it is a different matter.... Also SOME apps/games can benefit from hardware keys, also for non-textual input. I'm certainly not claiming

We could use a 'neutral' label like the yellow arrow symbol, and then it could be used as Fn or AltGr depending on the layout.

You and everyone who like your must be extremely naive. How releasing new device where fxtec screams "get lineage or ubuntu!!" can fix current Android? You can't be that naive! It looks more like they are abandoning current Android 9 so users has to rely on community made systems and regular users will be just left with faulty device. I also don't care about Pro2. I bougth Pro1 because I wanted keyboard phone, not because I wanted to fund some startup. If I wanted to fund someone I definetly wouldn't buy a smartphone to do it. Covid did not break anything, you can fix software workin

We don't, but users of international layouts do. Even tho I only use it occasionally é or ¹, i do understand people who use it regularly want that same key on both sides, which really does make sense for a thumb keyboard without sticky right_alt - which doesnt seem like we're ever gunna get so dealing the best with what we have. But yeah for my personal use I dont care either way, but for the benefit of all earth, I see the reason for it to be available on both sides. Remember, one main target for Pro¹-X is linux, and linux layouts (just like default Android layouts) use right_alt as th

Many of the software improvements made for the P1X will be applicable to the P1 as well, and presumably be implemented on both platforms as they're developed. I think the P1X is an exciting new product that addresses many of the complaints about the P1, and will give those who were disappointed with the P1 a real chance of having a device that makes them happy. Also, ever onward and upward. Grow or die is how it works. I'm glad to see what looks like growth after a very rough year thanks to CONTROL-19.

I agree with 1.5 of Craig's suggestions. :P I think only the right slant arrow should be right alt; the left one should stay available for accented characters in an INTL layout. Fx should be used for \| instead of SYM, which is used occasionally, and yes, by me. Also, the right CTRL and ALT should be swapped; they'd be backwards compared to a PC keyboard as proposed. MORE EDIT: Now I read @matf's comment and agree with him so a big bah humbug to me LOL

Compare the QWERTY layout of Pro1: ...and the QWERTY layout for Pro1-X linked in Indiegogo page: Start at the location of Q, A and Z letters. Originally, Pro1 was designed with a shifted QWERTY layout which may be good for English but not really good for international use while the QWERTY layouf of Pro1-X is a non-shifted QWERTY which can be used similarly as a standard layout and easier to use it for standard placement of international characters. I know it's confusing as on IGG page, photos were taken using a shifted QWERTY layout (also that is why I haven't not

I wonder if we could get retrofit kits for the original Pro1, it would be great.

Since i got my Pro1, the proximity sensor (light sensor) is one of my biggest sources of irritation. Both on the original Android and on LOS, it prevents me from making phone calls without inadvertently hanging up or changing the screen brightness. The proximity sensor does not always register my ear pressed to the loudspeaker, the screen switches on, and the touchscreen registers touches from my earlobe and cheek. This happens with the phone app as well as with the Signal messenger, but it might be worse with Signal. With the app DevCheck, I found that the proximity sensor (TXC PA22A) on

After further discussion and consideration, there is a downside to that latest proposal, no convenient ctrl-shift-c ctrl-shift-v which are important for linux terminals. To me not worth the tradeoff just to get a dedicated right control and alt next to spacebar, even tho I realize it eliminates a potential modifier and I'd thought/hoped I'd come up with a solution without downsides, but unfortunately no, there's always tradeoffs. So I'm back to thinking just the three changes I originally proposed are the best way to go. But I do see why some might prefer the additional changes suggeste

Yes, default QWERTY layout will be changed and there are also new layouts.

But different keyboard layout, not an unimportant difference to some.

I don't know where we are talking about, but if the US, I'm not entirely sure this will fly. If the shipper determines that they delivered it to the correct address (as on the package) and that they were not required to collect a signature by the sender, that may be the end of it. Insurance, as far as I know, only covers what happens to it during transport, not once it is sitting on your front porch, including theft. Theft would only possibly matter if they were required to get a signature and they didn't. You'll need to get a record of the signature to make sure it wasn't faked by the carri

I knew the two ctrl's and two shift's were wired together when I started, and somehow in that late-night revision ignored that. So that makes it impossible, and I have reverted that change and gone back to the the original but swapped slant arrow and ctrl keys from current (updated first post). (edit: and swapped them back, now first post has both versions) The main purpose of this is to get /? printed as a dedicated key and off the P/L so standard layouts work. Whether slant arrow is printed as AltGr (like intl pc keyboards) or Sym (like android) it's actual function should be Right_A

just file a claim with the shipper, get the details from fxtec : tracking number and shipper , and file a claim. the insurance from the shipper will issue money either to you or to fxtec and you can get another one. just say you never got it and you are still waiting for it to ship. and you found out it was shipped and you never got it, someone probably stole it from my doorstep.

So the email account I use to log in and manage my account is still the same. I check spam filter quite often on that email because miscellaneous stuff gets caught in it for my business. Also hotmail is AWFUL at spam filtering. The parcel did not require a signature and was just dropped off at the location. My issue here is simply that I was not given a notification of the phone being shipped out, everything else I can say is my fault for not updating my shipping address, even if the device was received a year later, it's still my responsibility. I normally have things like this

Because it is the same hardware and the more phones they sell the more reason to invest further also in software development. Moreover, not necessarily stock Android is the best choice (also for existing users) but Lineage OS itself which can be installed both on "old" Pro1 and Pro1-X. I don't know how can they solve NFC-based payments using Lineage OS (if it can be solved at all), but if that is possible in a correct way, the best option would be Lineage OS... It depends (on how the company - I mean IdeaLTE - was prepared for working at home). I find it strange. I

Okay, that's useful information, thanks. They both are associated to the same keycode (108) in xev, but that may be set at kernel level instead of hardware limitation. I would still keep all three modifiers paired (Ctrl, Shift, ???) and would prefer other keys to be placed differently as described in above posts.

I must say that @Wasmachineman_NL does have a valid point here. I doubt that ANYONE would disagree in principle. Anyone rarely using the keyboard would just get extra thickness and weight at a higher price than without. For those I suggest go buy one of the 986876 other available phone/phablet models out there...

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I've had the screen unlocking during phone calls just a couple times. Then again I don't do traditional phone calls so much. It's been mostly working fine for me. However the sensor is indeed slow to respond and I'm pretty sure that's a software issue. Maybe you need to get close to the sensor without touching the screen for a few seconds before resting your face on it. Pro1 indeed needs much improvement when it comes to call quality. Well let's face it call quality is shit compared to most big brand Android these days. Tricky proximity sensor, mic issues in speakerphone mode and in call

haven't voted, but does the letter "v" on my keyboard permanently shadowed (doesn't light up) count ?? 😄

you gonna have to file a claim with the shipper, whether it is usps or fedex or ups etc.

I agree with @Doktor Oswaldo, but I'm a us-intl user so I'm not 100% neutral. No one is. I don't see the point in having duplicated Fn keys, since all functions seem to be on the right of the keyboard or used only occasionally, not for typing (F1-12, provided those can be triggered with Fn on Android; not sure). Removing one AltGr would mean having two Fn keys, given that those are electrically wired, and this doesn't make more sense than two AltGr visually, but on top of that is not really fulfilling a need like duplicated AltGr do. The Fx key could be used as Fn in my opinion, sinc

I'm getting dizzy reading this *LOL* Maybe we should have the thread split in TWO. One for the ideal keyboard for a Pro2, and one for what can be done with the print only for The Pro1 & Pro1x. Most of this thread has ended on the former not the later As they only seem to have changed the memory/storage chip I find it highly unlikely they would go with changing the electrical layout for the keyboard. So I think the natural simple thing to do with the Pro1 hardware would be to change the two independent Fn arrows to Alt and AltGr, and make the current Alt (or Sym) the new Fn. But we c

Half asleep meant to quote the original poster 😄

No, Both AltGr are needed, just because FinQWERTY switches them with FN, still means that there are two Alt-Gr keys. One FN is enough

sure, but it is pretty common to get a mail when the delivery leaves, or to get the packet resent to another address.

Uh a lot has happened here since last I read. But a quick note: Remember that there hardware-wise seems to be 64 keys (8 by 8 grid internally), though physically 66 keys, so we can not get the suggested uncoupling of the modifier pairs...

**EDIT: THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO EXISTING HARDWARE CONSTRAINTS ANYWAY.** Feel free to ignore this proposal completely. First post is current proposal. Damnit, there's always one more thing to consider. That is very good point, cept made me think of it for us-intl, when you want shift-altgr for like ¡ or capitol ÁÅÉ etc. Then I thought the next most likely would be for ctrl-alt-f4, i remember testing that under dosbox with lineage etc to make sure it worked, and was awkward. So, with that considered, I made this.... the one's I posted before I'm more certain

International layouts all use AltGr/RightAlt as the modifier - left Alt is reserved for application use. On PC you only have that on the right, but this is to benefit people using Pro¹ thumb keyboard so they want it on the left too. No need to do any remapping of Fn key, it will work default out of the box with default android and linux layouts.

Hi! I'm sharing my results, I got a SLA 3D printer, and printed front and rear, On the front cover, the thin band didn't survived the printing support removal but even without them it hold pretty well and as a safety I added 4 little point of slim double face tape so it wont fly away when using the keyboard. For the rear part it nearly hold in place but not enough for me, following your idea I wraped the back side and again used small piece of double face tape. It all ended with something I really do like, I started thinking to remove it and shooting the exterior part of th

Somewhere there was a dragon picture linked recently which was in an old thread. It can be noticed if you look at that picture while modifying the brightness - so you may see it in some photos and you may not notice it in others. Edit: Here it is

When the brightness of display panel is decreased, the colors are shifted a bit which is noticeable especially in the lowest part of the scale. (So in that part there it is not really modifies the brightness but do some change in colour balance which may apply perfectly well for another display but not the one used in Pro1 units.) The background is the OLED panel itself and the properties of any LEDs. So its LEDs are not producing the exact same light for the exact same driving current, so they should be calibrated in relation to each other. A different kind of panel may have differ

I was very much let down by the announcement of the 2nd generation phone before all issues were patched an addressed in this one, and before everyone even received them. Seems they are jumping ship. Not a good look.

Hi there @silversolver Yes, Kitty is a big fan. I am even having an fxtec shirt made for her. I have spent the past couple days chatting back and forth with the guys at fxtec. So glad they are doing well and safe and partly working from home. For all those people who complain about customer service, I have to ask you - How often do you contact fxtec when you do NOT need something or something isn't wrong? Do you ever just send them a note to say hi and that you are thinking about them? I do, because I am. They are good guys and they gave us this marvelous tool. Yeah it sucks t

Not sure about that. Some claim that a hardware keyboard is superior to an on-screen one in all circumstances, and that having it will boost your productivity "automatically". Also the Fxtec advertising insinuates that a little bit (ok, that's probably just what marketing does). I believe that, at least for some, this is wishful thinking, based on fond memories of devices like the N900 that had software optimised for landscape and keyboard control. That is however not the case for the Pro1: Android software tends to be tightly optimised for portrait and single-hand touch-control. Also gen

Well it isn't common, since it wasn't possible for quite a while now. But there are people mapping Ctrl + C and Ctrl + c differently in vim.

Now THAT would be a first 🤣

This (maybe without the printed third-layer characters, because changes are sometimes useful for specific needs, but I wouldn't mind too much if they were printed anyway because they help new users with the default us-intl, even if it doesn't match my own configuration). And this. But with AltGr next to Ctrl, not Fn. I don't think combinations of other modifiers with Fn are common, while Shift/Ctrl/AltGr combinations are. I agree with Slion, it's really important to keep Shift, Ctrl and Yellow arrow clustered together on the bottom left corner. I would keep direction arrows on the

Please no, keep the left Fn key aka Slant Arrow. Have the right one be right alt.

Yes, it is definitely a fake card, the old trick of dishonest sellers...

My point was not to have you reconsider your opinion. I had no doubt you had good reasons for your opinion. My point was to simply let someone coming here know there are other opinions. 🙂

Anyway, the active speaker during handsfree mode is the one near main microphone while the other one is muted. My other phone had the opposite anyway. Generally it does not seem to be a good idea producing a "noise" next to the microphone which should have the "signal" input. So practically it should has been interchanged in software.