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I'm so sick of all this whining and blaming.... Yes their communication could clearly have been better. Have you guys ever been involved in a company manufacturing anything complex? Do you even have a clue on what you are talking about? If you want to be sure, why did you even consider to do a pre-order rather than wait for a on-the-shelf-product? If you do not understand or can accept that things happens in a manufacturing process that is out of the manufacturers control, your are just torturing yourself by doing pre-orders. I'm surprised that many in here can be so naïve as to expe

Hello all, As we all know Pro1 has passed Google's SafetyNet Certification previously and we have everything completed. However, due to the units shipped so far has unlocked bootloader, the device will still shown as "Uncertified" despite we have passed the security certification. (For users intended to root the phone, installing Lineage OS and Sailfish OS, please ignore the remaining and no future actions needed.) For users to activate Google Pay, and other features that requires SafetyNet approval, please do the following procedures to re-lock the bootloader: - Upda

I have contacted support yesterday and had some mail conversation. Today they have shared some valuable information with me and I have asked if I am allowed to share their reply with you. As now I have permission to share it, here is what support wrote:

You guys are cruel. I went doing some stuff for one hour and got that "35+ new replies" notification on my browser when I came back. I was pretty sure that was the sign an official statement had been posted.

Got FBE working. Should have a new build tomorrow morning (about 12 to 14 hours from now).

Okay test2 build is up at the page linked in the OP. Please note the instructions have changed. I have switched to MindTheGapps. This is a gapps package maintained by a Lineage developer and it plays nicely with A/B. Enjoy!

Jerk. 😉 Sorry, couldn't resist!

actually I should work in software right now, but no motivation so I post here....

I have to repeat my old man's motto. "Never compliment! It'll just make people f*** up." That didn't take long. People are losing their chill -- what a coincidence!

The stock firmware has been certified, you need to re-lock the bootloader to make that activated:

This is a WARNING! Stop deliberately spreading hyperboloid stuff where you already have been corrected by others and me. The first is NOT these guys, The second is an outright lie, where all were offered full refunds. (And they offered existing prototypes, or Pro1 coupons for those that preferred that) (My strike outs)

Maybe - on hardware, they may be called workarounds. 🙂 Like working with an SPI sensor which does not release MISO line when CS pin goes high (although datasheet says it does) but has another operation mode when it releases it. So there is a workaround possibility to switch operational modes before and after using that sensor. Another case, same (big) manufacturer, another SPI device, same problem but written in data sheet (in a separate place at interface documentation), however, without any possible workarounds at all. ...had to redesign the circuit and it went to I2C. ...anyway,

On the financial point, if they were having troubles I would be happy to donate or join some crowdfunding campaign for some semi-useless shit, buy a branded shirt, a paper bag from wallmart or a maga hat or something, I don't care. I want this company not only to deliver a device to me, but be successful enough to sell me a new one, make one for my gf with different needs etc. I know this is not the right place to tell this as no one from FX prolly reads this mess of a thread, but for me honesty would be the best strategy regardless. From what some are saying, they are very decent p

It is utterly important to keep critics valid and focused. There is a point where they could do better (communications) and there are a lot of points where it is insanely hard to do better without having a name first. For example the order of the fulfilment. Imagine this: First batch had problems with logistics, it was just to complicated for the partner Since the second batch should be big enough, they told logistics to just forget the order and deliver to anybody on the list. Second batch has a production issue (without a lot of experience this is unlikely to be fore

And do you think he is not disappointed? He is the one not getting the sales they had hoped for. Don't you guys get that they are at least as eager to deliver as we are to get them?

this is my mobile "desktop" solution. i want to make it with my pro1.

Since we're off topic and talking about the weather. I'd like to thank all of you for being a decent group. For all the frustration and aggravation of the waiting and not knowing everyone seems to be pretty chill. It's nice not seeing name calling and all the other trash that could be here.

I do not think F(x) Tec is lying to me. I have my "stock assigned" email #2. Maybe I will get a tracking number in a week and believe that is their intention, but I will not feel lied to if I don't see that tracking number before Jan 2020. I believe they are a very small, new company with too much optimism and not enough experience or influence on the third parties they depend on. Could their communication be better about those facts. Theoretically-- but pragmatically, when you are knee deep in a project not going as you envisioned, my observation is that good communication is first to

By "short order" I meant f(x)tec got in over their heads very early on and haven't recovered from it yet. NOT that they were only in deep water for a short time period. I don't see how you are throwing away £660. I have personally witnessed a different company manufacture newly designed electronic devices to be shipped worldwide. I can promise you that everything that has happened with f(x)tec is par for the course! I agree they should have handled communication better than they have, and it comes across like they are being dishonest. However, I don't believe there is any dishonesty

To be fair, the Moto mod was not discontinued because of Livermorium, but because of Motorola dropping everything.

Read that reply further, he only gives estimates when there are no big risks and even then he adds extra buffer for problems along the way. This works great when your clients accept that but not every project is like that.

What has it to do with anything that I got my retail device?? Are you saying that you would not be whining if someone else had been receiving the unit I got??? And if you look in the statistics in here, questioning if I followed the discussion is just... - well I will try to avoid using the words I feel would describe it. Their INTENTION was not to take money before shortly before, but they CLEARLY changed that before they actually asked for the money.Or did you happen to not follow that part of the journey? And yes Chen tried to get the Moto Mod keyboard up and running. But in

Alright, who here is named Richard?

I have to agree! I’ve been thinking the same thing. I never see anyone like....being dicks. Lol You guys rock!

Now that we have a working Lineage install, I think we need an issue tracker. I think the easiest thing to do is to use github since it has a built-in issue tracker for projects. https://github.com/tdm/android_device_fxtec_pro1/issues

Flash successful. No issues this time. Just remember kids: use a USB 3 cable connected to a USB 3 slot on your computer. It might just be my machine being weird though. But if the process gets stuck, just give it a try. I'm going to update this post as stuff happens or bugs appear. First bug: I'm using German keyboard layout, during the initialization Android asks you if you want to connect to a WIFI network. When trying to enter a password, the virtual keyboard does not pop up. When I open the physical keyboard, the screen does not change orientation and the keys I press do not ma

If this is what you are doing, I have a suggestion that might be helpful. Stop hoping for info to come across these threads and just wait for official emails. It takes much less out of you and you'll always be updated before you get your phone. 😀

A must have if you do not disable ALL the google stuff IMHO.

Forgive me pls, if I repeat what someone else may have said today, as I have not time yet to read all of today's posts ... but today @ 15:17 support wrote: "We are finding the recent developments in the forum surprising given that we are now finally shipping new batches every week." my only thought, I've not heard this before...

I have a feeling that i will get my pro1 just before xmas or shortly after. Although @EskeRahn and @mcdinner are trying their best to stop my order from being processed 😋

Well, in my desperation I asked support. Just assuming on my part they were not given false information by management, another EU batch is due to leave the factory by the end of this week. Stock assignments should start going out early next week. I am heavily skeptical but fingers crossed......for now.

Not me, RF hardware generally. I only write software to throw my mean callous, heartless exterior into sharp relief. (Or was that the poetry?)

Of course there was, to all those, and many more and worse situations. I haven't complained at all about late delivery, nor would I. Communications is a whole other topic though. A simple 'official' statement along the lines of 'batch no x has left the factory for shipment to customers, this will complete x% of preorders' is all that is really required. Statements of when it is hoped batches will leave serve little purpose, especially with no indication of the size of the batches, relative to number of outstanding preorders.

Well.. I ordered mine back a month or so for 736€. And yet when connecting to my Ubuntu server via RDP from my phone yesterday I was once again reminded why there's no alternative to waiting patiently for the pro1 to arrive: keyboard input was nearly impossible. So while I most certainly can understand the disappointment in regards to fxtec not delivering on time, I see no other way than to wait and keep the fingers crossed. The only real other way is to ask for a refund - which apparently does work, too. But as mentioned above: it's not an option for me.

It's already on the list. https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/device/#!/lxFC2xORT5VGOQd1DUYS

No, I don't think it was ever intentionally toying with anyone, but the roller coaster of fxtec getting excited and saying soon only to come back and more or less say well not that soon a few days later felt that way.

They are definitively more than two guys but yes, they were able to manage the project from scratch. There are really much technical knowledge had to be there to design a phone (including schematics, PCB, antenna system, mechanical parts, outfit design and tune all of them together - the process is much more longer). They also had to prepare manufacturing documentation, organize manufacturing process, had to check how it is going, etc. Prior to that, they had to do tests, apply for certification (and design the whole thing including PCB and antenna system to pass these tests), etc... ..

A bit of news on MAC addrs. The OEM writes /persist/wlan_mac.bin on boot using the binary /vendor/bin/macplugin. They checked this binary into their device tree without any source, so I don't know the exact algorithm. i'm in the process of reverse engineering it. It seems to generate 02:aa:xx:xx:xx:xx where "xx" is random. The kernel driver picks this up and strips the private bit so you get 00:aa:xx:xx:xx:xx. So there you go -- each device gets a unique, random, bogus MAC address. 😄 I'll investigate BT at some point soon. I would not be surprised if that got skipped entir

You forgot the "Hell no" option. 😉

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I second for ol' St. Nick James Bonding us our Pro1s

Hi All, Let me pre-fix this comment with saying that I have been a member of this forum since February 27, and since my first comment from that date, have been a silent lurker of these forums, as I felt I have nothing new to add. I am however, becoming more and more frustrated by the day, and having had conversations with the support team, have to agree with @glumreaper that they are doing the best that they can but the communication from others at the company is not forthcoming to them, or accurate. I was also advised by the support team not to share any of the information they have

I believe stock has some changes to the orientation settings to allow landscape in more places. But I am not quite sure exactly where or how yet, as I haven't gotten that far. As you noticed, the virtual keyboard does not pop up by default. On stock it does. I believe this is a preference setting in the device tree. You can manually activate it just as you noted, by pressing the keyboard icon in the navbar and telling it to always show the virtual keyboard. I have not tried any non-English layouts and, to be honest, I would not know how they should behave. But I ca

It took 9 workdays (11 actual days) from stock assigned (4th of November) to tracking codes (15th of November). However, last time it took 4 workdays between shipping from factory and getting stock assigned, and this time it only took 2 days. So they seem to be shifting things, making this in my opinion an unreliable method to estimate.

Current situation from what I see it is just: - Delays happen because this is what it is, startup company making a phone, it is entirely normal. - Don't know exactly when ready, but very soon now! - Not everyone is comfortable waiting with only the above info.

No, but I would have if I had to to the guesswork 10 years ago. And my personal financial future was never at that stake theirs must be. Wouldn't you ever had estimated a project way to short? Was there never a printer not working in a critical moment or the network down? Had you never had to wait for a third-party company to finish there part 3 months to late?

For what it's worth, Youyota was not related to Livermorium/F(x)tec. The guy behind Youyota was just a work contact, who got some light on TMO thanks to Liangchen who, at the time, thought the project was going to work just as we did. If I remember correctly, Liangchen actually invested money to help and has lost more than we, end customers, have.

It's not shown as recommended though. If I am right it needs to be available for direct purchase + support a couple of "bulk enrollment" things before it would be able to go on the recommended list: https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/glossary/device/

Yup I use FinQWERTY, and use it in QWERTY variants on the Pre-production unit and the "Final sample", and the QWERTZ variant on my Retail unit. There have been no issues of that sort. (The only issues were that some earlier test-versions had some keys mapped a sub-optimal ways). As far as I knows FinQWERTY only adds a keylayout file, it does not even alter the KeyCharacterMap level, nor the basic functionality of the keyboard.

I aspire to be this level of uncle someday.